October 11, 2017

"When your subhead thinks you're full of shit."

116 comments:

John Christopher said...

Althouse embracing twitter like never before. *chef kissing fingers*

rhhardin said...

Is this pervsion hatred or casting couch hatred.

Oso Negro said...

Was Woody Allen accused of groping, raping or otherwise sexually assaulting actresses? Or is he simply abhorrent because of 1) the age difference between he an Soon Yi (ewww... old guy) and 2) the fact that she was Mia Farrow and Andre Previn's adopted daughter and people are freaked by the step-father/step-daughter thing? I note that they have been married almost 20 years.

tds said...

Harvey is of 2 orders of magnitude bigger scale. Not sure there's particular hypocrisy on Winslet's part

Kevin said...

How about Ben Affkrck’s “powerful” FB denunciation if Harvey and his ilk without mentioning his brother Casey?

rhhardin said...

Suppose Weinstein were single and sexually normal. In addition to the casting couch you get to be seen on his arm, you go to nice dinners and entertainments.

Is there still shock and disgust.

How about if Weinstein is a business CEO unattached to Hollywood, any shock and disgust then?

I'd say in neither instance. The woman seems happy, they've made a deal of some kind.

David Begley said...

The risk for the movie industry is that it gets hit like the NFL. Not likely, but possible.

rhhardin said...

So women want legal protection from clumsy or weird seducers, or better perks.

rhhardin said...

Hollywood's problem is leftist moral preaching in their product, not who produces it how.

The NFL, not being a sports fan, I'd assume has just gone too biggest-thing-ever entirely, and the fans were looking for a reason to tune out.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I guess this shows how little I pay attention to Hollywood. I was unaware that Ben Affleck had a brother named Casey who is apparently, according to IMDB, quite the accomplished actor, until the current scandal that is when I started seeing references to him.

@Kevin

Is Casey Affleck somehow implicated in the scandal?

rhhardin said...

I thought Casey or perhaps Ben Affleck did the duck thing.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@rhardin

We get it. You don't think HW did anything wrong. You are the perfect Libertarian to whom all human interactions are reduced to a solely economic nature. The thing is, most human beings simply aren't built that way.

rhhardin said...

I probably have Affleck DVDs but I couldn't say which ones. I only log the actresses in the my list. Even that hasn't helped me distinguish them, but at least I can look them up to see if I've seen them.

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: Casey Affleck..

Casey Affleck's Best Actor Oscar sparks outrage due to his sexual harassment allegations

Lately I believe the Oscars have the previous year's winner award one of the new winners. Should make for an awkward moment.

I am Laslo.

Assrat said...

>2) the fact that she was Mia Farrow and Andre Previn's adopted daughter and people are freaked by the step-father/step-daughter thing?

Can't speak for anyone else, but this is my issue with that relationship.

And yeah, kind of disturbing that it seems to be one of the more stable Show Biz relationships.

Kevin said...

Is Casey Affleck somehow implicated in the scandal?

Casey has his own problems:
Casey Affleck’s Dark Secret: The Disturbing Allegations Against the Oscar Hopeful

About which Ben appears to have said nothing at all.

But Brie Larson made note:
Brie Larson Didn't Applaud Casey Affleck When He Won His Oscar

And then there is this:
Hilarie Burton claims she was groped by Ben Affleck on TRL in 2003

rhhardin said...

The thing is, most human beings simply aren't built that way.

I think most human beings are built for outrage bandwagons. Mob action.

But do the thought experiment. Suppose the woman gets the glamour she seems happy to have, being on the guy's arm for a while in public.

My question is whether sexual deals ever give the woman what she'd prefer to have, even in a workplace situation, and whether that seems okay.

That is, I think it turns off the instinct to protect the woman to imagine that.

And then why are you imagining the woman needs protection. Is she an adult or not.

AllenS said...

I couldn't tell everyone how many times that I had a woman tell me this: "Never underestimate the power of pussy." That's what kept Weinstein going, knowing full well that a lot of women would use the pussy to advance their career, and get him laid. It's also why nobody wanted to talk about it.

Assrat said...

>I think most human beings are built for outrage bandwagons

Or, you're abnormal and have no idea why and how healthy people react to things.

Just putting that out there.

rhhardin said...

Or, you're abnormal and have no idea why and how healthy people react to things.

Or be curious what's going on, vary the situation and ask if it's still the same. You can do it on yourself yourself, a normal person.

rhhardin said...

A big reaction isn't proof of a good reaction.

Ralph L said...

Would this have been as big a scandal if HW looked like an Affleck?
I think the yuk factor comes into play.

Lyssa said...

That's funny. Though I don't really think that Allen and Weinstein are comparable here. Allen has one accusation, that isn't particularly credible or anything that anyone who's worked with him would have knowledge of, while Weinstein's actions are (apparently) widespread and well-known.

Darrell said...

“I said, ‘No, no, no.’ . . . It’s twisted. A big fat man wanting to eat you. It’s a scary fairy tale.”
--Asia Argento
Who at the time, Argento was twenty-one and a rising actress who had twice won the Italian equivalent of the Oscar.

Bad Lieutenant said...


rhhardin said...
Or, you're abnormal and have no idea why and how healthy people react to things.

Or be curious what's going on, vary the situation and ask if it's still the same. You can do it on yourself yourself, a normal person.
10/11/17, 8:04 AM

It's funny how you boast of being bad while you just can't formulate the thought that you are simply wrong.

Darrell said...

Allen has one accusation

Think again.

Kate said...

"Would this have been as big a scandal if HW looked like an Affleck?
I think the yuk factor comes into play."

Harvey is definitely The Portrait. I just don't know who is Dorian.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@Kevin

Thanks, I was happily unaware of any of that.

@rhardin

The rule of thumb for whether or not the age difference is large enough to be creepy is the woman should be at least half the guys age plus 7 years.

Kevin said...

But do the thought experiment. Suppose the woman gets the glamour she seems happy to have, being on the guy's arm for a while in public.

I'll make it easy for you: Hugh Hefner was fine. Harvey Weinstein was not.

That's because women didn't need to be protected from Hugh. But women need to be protected from Harvey.

And if you're still confused, it's because Hugh engaged in consensual relations and Harvey did not.

When you keep asking a question and don't get answers, it's not because your question is so powerful. It's because it's been found irrelevant to the discussion at hand and the crowd is signaling you to move on.

When you don't, you become like Chuck, or Now I Know!, inserting off-topic things into threads over and over and becoming more troll-like.

You're better than that. We all know you are.

Darrell said...

Is it creepy with seven-year-old Dylan? How about always having her take her panties off? (And don't tell Mommy.)

Ralph L said...

Haven't we heard this kind of thing before:
run away, dear
She had a decade-long history of working with Affleck. Over the course of filming, White alleged in the complaint that she was repeatedly harassed.

Her accusations sound like the sort of dirty stuff men swipe at each other all the time.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Manchester By the Sea = pure Hillarywood CRAP.

Kate said...

"If you're good, you can distinguish between the two types of women. One will indeed willingly consent, and will not complain, having gained the benefit of the bargain."

Some women want their pussy grabbed.

(Although this makes for a great one-liner, don't assume I'm being facetious.)

FullMoon said...

Assrat said... [hush]​[hide comment]

>2) the fact that she was Mia Farrow and Andre Previn's adopted daughter and people are freaked by the step-father/step-daughter thing?

Can't speak for anyone else, but this is my issue with that relationship.


Yeah, kinda weird. They never did live together as a family, though.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

oh and - hahahaha.
Woody shacks up with adopted daughter. In Hillarywood, that's just so cool.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@Darrell

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Lyssa said...

Allen has one accusation

Think again.


All I'm familiar with regarding Allen is that his (adopted? ) daughter accused him of touching her, and that there was a big investigation during his separation from Farrow (which didn't really turn up anything). Pretty sure most of what I've seen on it particularly noted that he'd never been accused of bothering any other kids. The thing with his (now) wife is creepy, but she was an adult, so I'm not counting that.

I don't follow the guy closely, so I'm open to correction. What other allegations are out there?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

I think Harvey Weinstein is actually writing all the scripts to these horrible demented depressive fucked up films. oh but golden dude statue! golden dude statue!

Ron Winkleheimer said...

She had a decade-long history of working with Affleck. Over the course of filming, White alleged in the complaint that she was repeatedly harassed.

From what I read at the link, it sounds like he was having issues with his wife and was taking out on the women around him or was on drugs or both.

rhhardin said...

That's because women didn't need to be protected from Hugh. But women need to be protected from Harvey.

Good example for the thought experiment.

Why do women need to be protected, beyond specific crimes like kidnapping, rape and assault.

Assrat said...

>Yeah, kinda weird. They never did live together as a family, though.

True. The Allen / Soon Yi situation is an ugh for me. But I don't know them, and wouldn't boycott Allen based on that.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Why do women need to be protected, beyond specific crimes like kidnapping, rape and assault.

Dude, HW is accused of all of those things. Preventing someone from leaving an area is kidnapping. Groping women is assault. Forcing yourself on women is rape.

No force or fraud right? Well isn't it fraud when you ask a woman to a business meeting and have a couple of woman at the meeting, and then dismiss the women and reveal that the "business meeting" is just an excuse to get you alone for sex?

Also, believe it or not, a lot of people think it is wrong to pressure another person for sex as a condition of doing business with them. Even if the other person isn't adverse. We actually think it is morally wrong. Whacky ain't we?

So, to answer your question. Anytime someone premises doing business with you or threatens your career unless you have sex with them, I'm going to consider that to be wrong, every single time. And if someone volunteers to have sex with someone simply to further their career, yeah I think that is wrong too.

Now, such behavior may or may not be illegal, but just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it OK. In those cases we have social sanctions. You may think that is irrational, but we live in a society and social sanctions are one of the ways that societies function.

Darrell said...

Allen has a history of buzzing around young girls--pre-teen to fifteen or so. Wiki used to have a section on that a few years ago--I haven't checked recently. One of his ex-wives (Louise Lassiter) said that Woody prefers young girls because he fears grown-up women--can't handle them. Years ago (in the 1980s, I think) he had an inappropriate relationship with a young girl in NYC that lasted years. If you back calculate, that girl was an eight-grader when that started. Back before consumer video cameras, Woody used his cameramen to film long pointless sessions with young girls. I say pointless, because none of that made it into his films--or had a place in his films. It was for his personal use and it involved changing clothes and having the girls wear thin shirts that made their breasts visible. Some of the cameramen spoke out solely because it creeped them out. Whether you can make a criminal case out of any of that is another thing. But the fact remains that people around him should have stepped in--got him professional help, at least. Beside his normal therapists. The studios around him distributing (and financing) his films used their fixers and money to make his problems go away.

exiledonmainstreet said...

The last time I paid any attention to Ben Affleck was when I watched a clip of him on Maher's show. Affleck was passionately defending Islam. I guess Ben has no problems with the Muslim view of women.

William said...

@Lyssa: One of the Hemingway girls said that Allen acted in inappropriate ways with her. I forget the details. In the movie, Crimes & Misdemeanors, a plot point shows Allen dating his twelve year old niece. The main plot demonstrates how it's possible to get away with a great crime and pay no repercussions, neither with the world, nor even with your conscience. In many ways, it's the the quintessential Woody Allen film.......I wonder if Allen will be collateral damage in the Weinstein scandal. He writes great part parts for women, so probably not.

rhhardin said...

So, to answer your question. Anytime someone premises doing business with you or threatens your career unless you have sex with them, I'm going to consider that to be wrong, every single time. And if someone volunteers to have sex with someone simply to further their career, yeah I think that is wrong too.

It's men and women. There's nothing there that isn't ordinary human interaction.

The traditional female defense is tact. Say no in a way that leaves the guy not feeling bad about himself. Women do this every day.

The aggressive defense is reporting it to his boss, his boss's boss, his wife or his mother.

Crimes get reported to the police.

The inclincations that feminism ought to be deprecating are the instinct to protect women and the instinct to need protection in men and women respectively.

Ulterior motives by the way aren't exactly fraud - meetings are set up all the time to try to get the ball rolling. There are a thousand examples outside of business.

Unknown said...

From predator to someone practicing incest. Nice bunch of people you have there. She is condoning all of their actions.

Darrell said...

“I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.”
--Woody Allen
October 4, 1976 issue of People magazine

William said...

If Warren Beatty, whilst working in his role as a movie producer, asked the women up for the romantic lead in his film to rehearse some of the petting scenes to check out their chemistry could such a demand be construed as sexual harassment. A lot of these lines are nebulous. Some of them only pertain to fat, ugly people.

rhhardin said...

Weinstein should go where humiliating others is honored, internet threads, if he wants acceptance.

Darrell said...

But he also said that he (Weinstein) was “sorry for whatever happened.” The movie’s most significant departure from the real-life incident, Argento told me, was how the hotel-room scene ended. “In the movie I wrote,” she said, “I ran away.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-overtures-to-sexual-assault-harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories

Michael K said...

"The risk for the movie industry is that it gets hit like the NFL. Not likely, but possible."

At least the NFL has a decent product. Been to the movies lately ?

They are having an extremely bad year with crappy sequels, like "Blade Runner" dying at the box office.

At least the old time Hollywood perverts made good movies.

FullMoon said...

No, no, the Polaroids he left on the family mantle were not of any of these adult women, striking poses for him as their lover.

Allan acknowledged the pics existed and were on the mantle? How old was Soon Yi at the time?

William said...

Mick Jagger and Leonardo DiCaprio seem to have a lot of casual affairs. There's a far amount of power imbalance between them and the women they date. Can someone explain to me the difference between their relationships and those of Hugh Heffner and even Donald Trump. We've politicized promiscuity.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

That's why Woody and Harvey got in trouble: they really are in the minority culturally, despite what men like rhardin are trying to portray as normal sex relations between men and women.

This is dead on. HW didn't try to keep his actions out of the press because he thought they were socially acceptable. No notices in the Hollywood Reporter announcing such and such actress landed a role with Miramax with an addendum rating her sexual prowess provided by HW.

rhhardin said...

Sandra Bullock as the cheerful chatty nurse ("the enema queen") giving Liam Neeson in agony an enema in Gun Shy (2000) was good.

The secret with movies is go by the best scenes.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

There's a far amount of power imbalance between them and the women they date.

HW relationships with woman were not dating relationships. They were exploitative.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Hardin has a lot of opinions about women for someone who, if memory serves, does not in fact interact with women or, really, people.

INTJs/autists need to remember that they may be highly gifted at observation and insight, but that does not mean they are wise.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

It's men and women. There's nothing there that isn't ordinary human interaction

No. It. Is. Not. And if you are in an environment where you are surrounded by people that tell you that it is, I would advise you to leave immediately because some bad things are bound to happen.

rhhardin said...

To be good in business means to work with the best people and the best materials. Most of the talent in the workforce does not want sexual attention in their workplace. Certainly not from everyone around them when they're trying to work. You can't make the best movies in an environment of constant sexual tension. You can't even run an insurance company in such an environment.

It's no good to grow the economy if you don't leave room to grow the population.

Assrat said...

>Weinstein should go where humiliating others is honored, internet threads, if he wants acceptance.

A parable might be in order.

Once upon a time, there was a skilled remote worker. He did his job well, and was well liked by co-workers, so much so that the company moved him so he could work in the main office. It was then they discovered that he liked to wear shit on his head.

His peers politely told him that he should not wear shit to the office. He asked why it was a problem. He had always worn shit on his head and nobody had complained before.

It was his shit and it was warm and felt nice. There was nothing in the employee handbook against wearing shit on your head. But that didn't stop his peers, who kept insisting that he shouldn't wear shit to the office. He ignored them.

So his supervisor told him to go home, shower, and return to the office without shit on his head. But again, he saw no reason to, so he didn't. After all, he saw no reason to stop wearing shit to the office, and it never occurred to him that social norms applied to him, even if he didn't understand them.

This went on until his manager saw him in the office, innocently wearing shit on his head. And when he started to explain that wearing shit on his head was normal, he suddenly found himself jobless, while all his co-workers applauded and praised the manager.

He felt unfairly abused, I am sure.

FullMoon said...

She was 21 at the time?

rhhardin said...

Sandra Bullock married her secretary in The Proposal (2009)

Krumhorn said...

Also, believe it or not, a lot of people think it is wrong to pressure another person for sex as a condition of doing business with them. Even if the other person isn't adverse. We actually think it is morally wrong. Whacky ain't we?

I suppose there another way to look at this. It is a corollary of the rhhardin Postulate, as Laslo calls it.

While the entertainment business thrives on the exploitation of talent, the central animating engine thst throbs at its heart is sex. Young pretty women from Iowa step off the bus at the Greyhound station at Magnolia and Lankershim with corn silk still in their hair. As they cast their blue eyes around looking for their first break, all they have to sell is their good looks.

She may think that she has the chops to ultimately make that Oscar acceptance speech, but she has to impress a lot of sleazy folks along the way before she'll ever get that chance...starting with that greasy tatted up guy on the curb who wants to be her "manager".

At the end of the day, she will have traded up magnificently to get the chance to impress Harvey Weinstein. And if she is serious about making an impression, she'll ride Harvey and call him her fine stallion as he pretends she's a potted plant.

Maybe someday, she'll get to make that acceptance speech and issue a tweet about what an abominable human he is while appearing to have been so obviously talented that she didn't need to submit to him. But deep down, she knows she made a fair trade of her virtue for a meatball, as Robert Preston put it in Victor Victoria.

- Krumhorn

rhhardin said...

Bullock used all kinds of coercion. Her secretary gave his terms, negotiated and they agreed.

No outrage at it.

rhhardin said...

Bullock humiliated others, too. An asshole boss but talented.

rhhardin said...

Her secretary though was good at guy things, like zingers.

Mental equals, you could put it.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Assrat wins the thread.

Roughcoat said...

Common sense: It is wrong to be an asshole.

As for Brad Pitt: weak tea, very weak, what he said to HW. He should have punched him in the face and then threatened his life if he ever pulled that shit again.

That's what I did when a neighbor insulted and threatened my wife. He never pulled that shit again.

William said...

Poor Harvey. Last week Ozymandias. This week a cockroach. This has got be one of the most drastic, overnight changes in history. He was praised by prestigious actors during the course of prestigious award shows. Now his sole defender is Lindsay Lohan. I hope the rehab goes well, and Hillary visits him in his time of trouble.

Darrell said...

I hope Harvey's stint in rehab does as much good as Woody's lifetime therapy.

Char Char Binks said...

It's generally fans of Woody Allen's movies and "comedy" who think he did something improper by marrying Soon Yi, or are dumb enough to think he molested his daughter, despite the lack of evidence, and evidence to the contrary. His movies are shit, his "acting" is subpar, and his stand-up never made me laugh. Marrying a woman that much younger than himself is the only thing I admire about the man.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Roughcoat said...
Common sense: It is wrong to be an asshole.

As for Brad Pitt: weak tea, very weak, what he said to HW. He should have punched him in the face and then threatened his life if he ever pulled that shit again.

That's what I did when a neighbor insulted and threatened my wife. He never pulled that shit again.

10/11/17, 9:57 AM


We don't know that he didn't. When telling a story, there is nothing more unlistenable than getting every he said and she said and atmospheric detail. My own sainted mother, for example, simply cannot cut to the chase.

Some mofos can't read between the lines.

PB said...

I can't wait for someone in side to spill the beans and divulge Harvey's entire schedule for the past two decades of late-night meetings

Bad Lieutenant said...

They are having an extremely bad year with crappy sequels, like "Blade Runner" dying at the box office.



Dear Mike,

Shut up, Blade Runner 2049 was fantastic. Go see it before you talk shite, please. BTW, the original BR was also a box office flop.

David Baker said...

I asked months ago; how in the world did Kate Winslet, with her hairy (shaved) arms, below average looks, and hefty-weight problem, ever get the lead role in Titanic.

Apparently the answer is Harvey Weinstein.

Bad Lieutenant said...

What's wrong with Kate Winslet?

Jupiter said...

There are a few realities you white knights are ignoring in your rush to attack the foul dragon rhardin and defend the fair damsels.

1 - Plenty of women trade sex for money, or drugs, or sex.

2 - As Kate said, some women want their pussy grabbed. In fact, most women want their pussy grabbed. The question is, by whom?

3 - It seems very likely that one reason HW didn't stop behaving like this is that he had a high success rate. That is, lots of women were ready to trade. In that case, it seems like the "victim" is the studio, or the audience, not one of the parties to the shady deal.

And no, a long story that amounts to repeating the same grossly insulting joke over and over does not "win the thread".

tim in vermont said...

It used to be "Give 'em what they want and they'll come out." Now it's all about getting the deplorables' minds right and make them pay for the privilege. Same with the NFL and ESPN.

David Baker said...

What's wrong with Kate Winslet?"

Consult the ASPCA.

Dog aside, she can't dance. She looked like a crazed elephant stomping on natives.

Bad Lieutenant said...

There are a few realities you white knights are ignoring in your rush to attack the foul dragon rhardin and defend the fair damsels.


No white knighting, I think they're all whores and pimps, men and women alike, and if you're not, you don't belong there, and should exit the blast radius.

That said, while I might value RH's opinion on programming, USAF, DVDs, Dobermans, or ham radio, any insights he has about people are purely accidental.

And which story do you find longer, more tedious, and more tasteless than RH's remarks?

Ron Winkleheimer said...

And no, a long story that amounts to repeating the same grossly insulting joke over and over does not "win the thread".

Yeah, yeah it does.'

The guy violated social norms and acted like a pig. If noticing that means I'm "white knighting" well, whatevs.

rcocean said...

Hollywood gets most of its movie revenue from Overseas. With some films its almost 60%.

Throw in all the American lunkheads who don't care or don't know sexual harassment, left wing politics, etc. and I doubt Hollywood will be hurt in the slightest.

Disney could be affected, but they're so big, are so diversified, and have so much $$$, Disney is practically indestructible. Plus, they're bribed enough Republican asshole Congressmen, that Congress will never do anything about their tax breaks and copy right windfall.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Consult the ASPCA.

Dog aside, she can't dance.


Shrug, more for me. I require no dancing.

exhelodrvr1 said...

There definitely are "groupies." But the Clintons, Kennedy's and Weinsteins of the world don't want to just stick with them.

SDaly said...

Disney is prime target number one, and is the most vulnerable because the abuse it has allowed was of its young stars. The entire brand will be damaged beyond repair.
Nickelodeon will be destroyed as well.

I feel for the actresses in these stories, but when it comes out that all of these people knew about and covered up the sexual abuse of kids, the industry will not recover.

Mike Sylwester said...

William at 8:59 AM

If Warren Beatty, whilst working in his role as a movie producer, asked the women up for the romantic lead in his film to rehearse some of the petting scenes to check out their chemistry could such a demand be construed as sexual harassment.

Beatty was a tall, handsome, intelligent, charming, successful man who also was a star actor and a director and producer of movies. He had sex with more than 12,000 women.

I read a biography of Beatty. I don't remember the title right now, but it was a serious, well-sourced biography. He had sex with several different women every day -- all consensual -- day after day.

A big part of his attraction was that he made movies and was involved in hiring actresses. He probably never mentioned that when he was seducing women, but it surely was understood.

buwaya said...

I don't see that Weinstein had anything to do with Titanic. Not to say that Winslet did not do the casting couch thing for Titanic (if at all; one should still give the benefit of the doubt, and it would have been James Cameron anyway), but it does not seem likely that it was Weinstein she had to impress.

Winslet was a British import with a considerable career behind her already. I think since it was a chick-flick the producers wanted someone only plausibly pretty, not astonishingly so.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

What's wrong with Kate Winslet?

Not a thing; she's gorgeous.

Roughcoat said...

Some mofos can't read between the lines.

Who you callin' "mofo"?

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

No one is white-knighting ~ rhhardin is just being a repetitious aspertarian and it gets old.

Roughcoat said...

I think since it was a chick-flick the producers wanted someone only plausibly pretty, not astonishingly so.

Her co-star was the prettier of the two. And gay, hence non-threatening.

Titanic was, sub-textually, a gay movie.

Achilles said...

rhhardin said...
Is this pervsion hatred or casting couch hatred.

Interesting angle. Another is would this be such a big deal if harvey weinstein looked like George Clooney?

I am thinking that it would be treated more like the high school boy hot teacher issues.

Unknown said...

Congratulations to Althouse for her exemplary coverage of the Harvey Weinstein scandal. Let no minute tidbit of information go unnoticed! Pay no attention to North Korea saying Trump has lit the “wick of war”. What is a nuclear conflagration compared to a nice big juicy sex scandal, especially if it involves Democrats!

William Chadwick said...

Ron Winkelmann responds to rhhardin:

"We get it. You don't think HW did anything wrong. You are the perfect Libertarian to whom all human interactions are reduced to a solely economic nature."

I always thought of myself as "the perfect [small "l"] libertarian" amd I've never believed that "all human interactions are reduced to a solely economic nature;" although I am familiar with the concept as a Straw Man for "liberals"* to use in lieu of actual argument. Statist economists and philosophers usually call it "the theory of economic man." ("You object to me lifting your wallet? You say I'm ignoring the Law of Supply and Demand? Well, then, you obviously believe in the chimera of Economic Man!") Certainly none of the pro-freedom writers who have influence me--Bastiat, Rand, Read, Mencken, Nock, etc.--have believed in it, based on any of their writings that I have read.

Neverthess, Ron, it is true that you will sometimes find libertarians who appear to believe in Economic Man, especially at the shallow end of the libertarian pool. Often they are people using libertarianism to put a philosophic gloss on a narcissism sometimes bordering on sociopathy. Usually (again, this is just in my experience) there is a strong streak of misogyny. The latter I can sort of understand because if you're a male libertarian, you soon find that women are the Socialist Sex (a view bolstered by radical leftwing feminists who see it as evidence of female superiority). Often they are philistines--again, unlike the libertarian writers who influence me--cultural philistines. Frequently this type of libertarian, seeing themselves as Nietzschean supermen, veers off beyond mainstream libertarianism into a kind of "Stirnerism." **

It was probably ever thus with philosophical or ethical movements. When I was in college I was part of a small libertarian "cell" in the belly of the Beast. The members were all evolved and civilized: to use an old-fashioned term, "gentlemen." But one of the founders once said to me, "You know, as this movement grows, we're going to find ourselves in league with people we wouldn't otherwise be caught dead associating with." How true



*by which I mean of course "tax-happy, coercion-addicted, power-tripping government sniffers and State fellators."

**Google "Max Stirner."

Assrat said...

>Interesting angle. Another is would this be such a big deal if harvey weinstein looked like George Clooney?

Change any part of the story and something would change. But who knows?

Maybe it would get less play if the pederasts in Hollywood story hadn't come out. Maybe it would get less play if it weren't for the endless, shrill, moralistic preening of Hollywood. Maybe it would get less play if Weinstein didn't look and act like a villain from a film greenlit by Joseph Goebbles.

It is what it is.

tcrosse said...

As for Woody Allen scandals, I prefer the earlier, funny ones.

The Godfather said...

One of the reasons I enjoy reading the comments on Althouse is that often there are commenters who actually know something about the subject under discussion, and I can learn from what they say about (say) politics, military issues, engineering, science, law, art, literature, history, economics, etc. My impression is that none of the Althouse commenters know anything about "Hollywood". We all serve up the same cliches, some with better wit than others, some with less. This would be a good reason for our hostess to drop the Weinstein meme, and turn to something new, on which we might expect more interesting comments.

Just sayin'.

Roughcoat said...

I know more than something about Hollywood, I worked for several years in advertising, writing TV and radio spots, and shooting commercials in L.A. I worked with several directors who also made movies or went on to make movies, and I worked with prominent movie and TV actors who also appeared in commercials. I worked with casting agents, producers, producers, and production companies, etc. etc. From my experience I can say with no exaggeration that the who milieu is vastly more depraved than the Weinstein affair would lead you to believe. Same goes for the music industry, at least when I was involved in it.

I could tell you stories about both the film and music industries that would make you vomit in disgust. Harvey Weinstein is merely the tip of a massive iceberg of depravity. I know this because I've seen it.

Roughcoat said...

Now (and for nearly 30 years) I work in the military sphere, especially on issues concerned with the conflict(s) in the Middle East. Apart from the abominable activities of ISIS, I would say that the level and type of moral and spiritual depravity I encountered in L.A. in the entertainment business was worse than that which I have encountered in connection with the Middle East. Certainly the hypocrisy and moral posturing is worse.

Michael K said...

"My impression is that none of the Althouse commenters know anything about "Hollywood".

Roughcoat has posted that refute your point. My mother-in-law was in the movie business from the 1930s until she retired about 1983.

She knew about all this and did not say much but held all actors in contempt, except a few.

I knew some of them but not many and none of the new generation of big salaries and small talent.

tcrosse said...

"My impression is that none of the Althouse commenters know anything about "Hollywood".

The movies that Hollywood has made about Hollywood do not depict it as a place where the morally upright prosper.

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Roughcoat said...

I like Althouse's coverage of the Weinstein affair. I'm enjoying it and I'm enjoying the discussions. The more the merrier. The light has been turned on in the tenement kitchen and all the cockroaches and rates are scurrying for cover. It is to laugh.

Roughcoat said...

rats not "rates"

Narayanan Subramanian said...

Is Broadway much different from Hollywood? How do they rank/rate against red light district?

Michael K said...

"Is Broadway much different from Hollywood?"

I think the stage requires more talent.

You don't have "takes" where you can blow your lines and do it over.

The camera does not play as big a role in beauty.

You have to project your voice although I think that is less important now.

Narayanan Subramanian said...

Power of pussy but no splooge stooges?!

Gahrie said...

Beatty ... had sex with more than 12,000 women..... He had sex with several different women every day -- all consensual -- day after day.

OK..way outside of my experience range....but wouldn't this just get boring? I get it..I like fucking too...but all day every day? It'd be worse than a job!

Bad Lieutenant said...

Gahrie, if you have the desire, the ability, the resources to fit into your schedule, and you don't have to make love to the girl too much but are basically in and out, you can get a lot done in a day. I have no doubt that he's had sex every day of his life, probably even when he was sick. Probably if you went to the hospital he had sex with nurses.

Bad Lieutenant said...

I like Althouse's coverage of the Weinstein affair. I'm enjoying it and I'm enjoying the discussions. The more the merrier. The light has been turned on in the tenement kitchen and all the cockroaches and rates are scurrying for cover. It is to laugh


Can you see Rico? The game is rigged! Tear the place apart! Sessions, where are you?

Darrell said...

"Is Broadway much different from Hollywood?"

Went on a date with a woman who was in the travelling road company of a Broadway play and she was called to NYC to audition in front of backers for the Broadway role. At the last minute they added an established actress that was making a comeback. Both auditions went great, but my friend was told she had the edge--but the backers wanted to talk with the name actress first, to see if her old problems were still an issue. After half an hour, she was told they were going with the name. She went to the dressing room of the known actress to congratulate her and she exchanged pleasantries--facing the actress. On the way out, the actress spoke again facing the mirror and my friend looked back. What she saw was the back of the famous actress's head and what looked like two globs of cum on her hair. This was years before "There's Something About Mary." She could guess what swayed the backers.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Can you say RICO?

Bad Lieutenant said...

Darrell, but where did they find two heterosexuals on Broadway?

Darrell said...

BL,
it was the 1980's. They weren't extinct yet.

Assrat said...

One of the things that bugs me about the whole situation is that there must be honest, professional and blameless people caught up in it.

Imagine some actress who worked on a Weinstein film who never even met him. Practically everyone is wondering if they're a whore. Awful.