December 31, 2017

Carl Bernstein unwittingly reveals that he believes Trump is innocent of whatever it is that Mueller is investigating.

I was stunned by this amazing slip this morning on CNN's "State of the Union." The moderator Dana Bash had this question:WOODWARD: You have to look at the crimes.
[T]he investigation has been going on for over a year, at least in the Justice Department, the FBI. We still don't know about any evidence that the president knowingly colluded with Russia. Does that give the president's claim that this is a witch-hunt some credence?
Bernstein's answer:
He believes it's a witch-hunt. There's no question he believes it's a witch-hunt.
What?! The only way that Bernstein can make those assertions about what Trump believes is if Bernstein is sure Trump is not lying. Trump knows what he did with respect to Russia, but he's saying it's a witch-hunt. Trump's saying that it's a witch-hunt could happen if: 1. He knows there's nothing there (i.e., Mueller is searching for for something, like a witch, that doesn't exist), or 2. He's worried about something that he did and he wants to hide it. Bernstein's remark excludes #2. But Bernstein doesn't have access to the inside of Trump's head, so why did Bernstein say that? I'd say Bernstein, on his own, knows that there's nothing there, and he blurted out an answer without thinking about what he was saying about what's in his own head.

I know: It's also possible that Bernstein is a careless bullshitter.

ADDED: Here's how the CNN website covers the same appearance I am writing about: "Bernstein: Trump's lawyers tell him what he wants to hear on Russia." CNN's writers tell audience what they want to hear about Trump.

156 comments:

Big Mike said...

How could Carl Bernstein be a careless bullshitter? He’s a hero of Watergate! He was played by Dustin Hoffman, for Pete’s sake! Oh.

Yancey Ward said...

Bernstein and pretty much everyone else in D.C. knows there is nothing there as far as actual collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government. Not a single piece of evidence demonstrating such a conspiracy has been published anywhere- not a single piece in over 18 months. Like a lot of men his age and a lot of people who don't have IQs above body temperature, Bernstein isn't able to keep his arguments consistent with the lie of the Russian narrative. So, yes, it was a telling slip of the tongue on his part.

Michael K said...

He was a fair stenographer for Mark Felt in 1974. I believe that is his most recent accomplishment.

walter said...

Reads to me like he just doesn't want answer the question.

Humperdink said...

I have watched Bernstein over the years have marveled at his staying power. He has the charisma of a guard rail. A absolute dud. I am thinking Woodward was the brains behind the Watergate expose. His recent blathering(s) do nothing to dispel my opinion.

rehajm said...

I’m with walter. I think he knows there’s nothing there and within that context isn’t certain what the best answer is give given the outcome he wants. He didn’t have to deal with this shit the last time he helped impeach an unpopular President.

Hari said...

I think Bernstein was trying to imply that Trump is too stupid to know he's guilty. Since everyone who is smart thinks Trump is guilty, and everyone who is smart thinks Trump is dumb, it must be that Trump stupidly believes that he's innocent.

Of course this makes no sense, but neither does spending a year investigating and coming up with nothing. The only alternative would be that the smart smug elites are wrong, and we can't have that happen (again).

Bay Area Guy said...

Bernstein is a careless bullshitter. He's also a red diaper baby. Woodward, in contrast, was a Navy Officer attached to the NSA, and has right wing tendencies.

YoungHegelian said...

Sadly, I won't be around to read what historians one hundred years hence have to say about the communal insanity that was "Campaign collusion/Russian interference in the 2016 election", but I imagine it's going to be a hoot.

And if you think that there's got there's got to be some fire where's this much smoke, let me remind you of PlameGate, where the NYT forged a rod for their own backs, demanding a special prosecutor who promptly threw one of their own reporters in jail for not revealing sources. Finally, when the source outed himself (Richard Armitage), it failed to feed the narrative that Left wanted to use to oust Cheney, so it was all quickly forgotten. The NYT never apologized for the damage they wrought on the freedom of the press, & they fired their reporter who had the courage to defend her source at the cost of her own freedom.

David said...

I view Bernstein as a reasonably careful bullshitter. I think that makes your point stronger.

rehajm said...

He’s like the Clintons. They are certain in their own minds their moves are sneaky and undetected but in reality they are stale and obvious to the kiddies.

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EDH said...

This is like when Trump said about Putin: "He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that.' And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."

That does not eliminate the possibility that Trump believes Putin was aware of "informational programs" that Putin subjectively would not call meddling, particularly when compared to a whole host of U.S. "information programs" designed to promote democracy around the world. At the time, I said "Putin may view his country's information programs in a similar way: getting his government's word out but not 'meddling' in elections."

Likewise, Bernstein could argue that subjectively Trump believes it's a witch-hunt whether or not Trump is aware of his guilt or, as Hari said, "Bernstein was trying to imply that Trump is too stupid to know he's guilty."

Bill Befort said...

"Trump may believe he's innocent, but we have ways of making him guilty as hell."

bagoh20 said...

After seeing how our legal system allows some to simply ignore the law over the last 8 years, I have to believe that anything is possible including a charge, a final determination, or an exoneration based on nothing at all. There is simply no connection between facts, the written law and outcomes by from our legal system. It's a complete crap shoot. The IRS scandal, illegal executive orders, and Comey listing Hillary's clear violations of the law only to then ignore them can give you no confidence in any of it. Our legal system at the top is total bullshit. I'd be ashamed to be a part of it. As an American, I am ashamed.

bagoh20 said...

Half the country wants Trump busted for something, anything, and the other half wants it to stop, but me and a bunch of my friends are getting paid plenty to investigate. So let me see, I could end this quickly or stretch it out for a couple years. Tough call.

rhhardin said...

The point is to keep Trump from getting any traction as President.

Not completely successful.

Obama issued so many executive orders that can just be cancelled by Trump.

buwaya said...

Bagoh is right.
This was always so, but better hidden.
This has been Instapundit's "ham sandwich nation" for a long time.
The politically inconvenient, if lacking sufficient power, will be removed. The law and legal process will be contorted as required.

Big Mike said...

@bagoh20, go look up what Dickens had to say about the law.

rhhardin said...

That is, they don't think Trump did anything wrong but that's not what they're up to.

It's to paralyze Trump as much as possible.

rhhardin said...

Alluded-to crimes are must a PR cover.

Darrell said...

How do we know it's a witch hunt?

1) Hillary Clinton
2) Inga

Tim at large said...

The new story from the New York Times seems still to rely on coincidence, but is not obviously wrong. I am not sure about the part about the Russians “exfiltrating emails” from the DNC for months, and being the ones to release them, since from the timeline provided by CrowdStrike, the Russians had been kicked out prior to the most damaging emails even being written, much less hacked. It still boils down to the DNC leak being a hack by the Russians, which doesn’t seem to be supported by the known evidence, which points to leak.

It seems like motivated reasoning to me on the part of the New York Times. Deliberately mixing up the facts to construct a scary sounding narrative. Of course, the Hillary and the DNC also could have made the job of undermining them harder by, well, you know, acting above board. And maybe the press could have not have acted as DNC operatives and worked so hard to gain the favor and approval of Hillary and the Democrats.

Mike Sylwester said...

In the Watergate affair, the Deep Throat leaker who strove to remove the US President from his office was FBI Associate Director Mark Felt.

In the RussiaGate affair, the leaker is Special Counsel Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller.

When Mueller was FBI Director, the FBI leaked that the anthrax poisoner was Steven Hatfill. The FBI leaked for two reasons:

1) To assure that public that the FBI was making progress in its investigation.

2) To spook Hatfill into confessing or into trying to flee.

The preeminent recipient of the leaks was New York Times reporter Nicholas Kristoff.

Kristoff is begging publicly that US Government officials (e.g. Mueller) leak to him President Trump's tax documents.

Mueller still does not have Trump's tax documents, but the only thing Mueller has been investigating during the past year is how to get Trump's tax documents so that Mueller can leak them to his old leak collaborator Kristoff.

In the meantime, Mueller is directing his gang of Trump-hating lawyers to leak systematically any and every tidbit of information that might cast suspicion on President Trump. Whenever Mueller's Trump-hating lawyers get any such tidbit, they leak it immediately to Trump-hating journalists.

Since no information indicating any Russian collusion has been leaked by Mueller's gang yet, the public can be confident that there is absolutely no information indicating collusion.

Mike Sylwester said...
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Mike Sylwester said...

When the top FBI officials wanted to remove Martin Luther King from the leadership of the Civil Rights Movement, they claimed that Russia was meddling the Movement and therefore the FBI had to wiretap King and his associates.

By wiretapping King, the FBI found evidence that King was committing adultery. The FBI leaked that information to King-hating journalists.

The FBI official managing the wiretapping and leaking was William Sullivan, the head of the FBI's intelligence operations.

The FBI recently has been up to the same old tricks -- using "Russian meddling" as an excuse to wiretap a prominent US person -- in this case, Donald Trump -- in order to leak dirt about him to journalists order to remove him from his position.

Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller to the Special Counsel position because Mueller is, in the entire world, the one person who is very most motivated and able to whitewash the FBI.

When Rosenstein appointed Mueller, both of them already were well informed that the FBI had used Christopher Steele's dossier -- funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign -- as a bogus justification to wiretap the Trump campaign.

Mueller is investigating only one problem -- how to get Trump's tax documents so that he can leak them to his old leak-collaborator Nicholas Kristoff, who has been begging publicly that they be leaked to him.

wildswan said...

This investigation is going to be just like the election, just like the celebrity fueled "Resistance." At the start it seems certain Trump cannot prevail. At the finish Trump prevails, exposing in the process Hillary's corruption, Weinstein's corruption and finally, Mueller's corruption. And all the tangled links between politics, celebrity and the law. The poor job done by the media on all three occasions is undoing that group as we watch. CNN and the hunt for The Great White Truck while Iran burns - pathetic. And I think in some underground way the tax bill has made some who have been in a coma since the election wake-up. They just see - we were wrong about Trump. Bernstein is in that group of sleepers awakening. Rip van Winkles astounded by the world about them.
So changed in one year. So much winning - what a great year 2017 has been. But I haven't had too much winning, Mr. President. Sail on, sailor.

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n.n said...

There is a witch hunt (public), and a baby hunt (private). We're well into the fourth trimester after inauguration, and several multiples since conception. Even leftists and Pro-Choice Republicans who deemed Trump unworthy, inconvenient, and nonviable, must acknowledge that it's indecent to abort him NOW, and their Planned coup is intolerable.

That said, now it's time to investigate Water Closet exposed by Deep Plunger, where Obama spied on Americans and the Republican candidate, and Clinton colluded with foreign and domestic intelligence assets, including the sovereign in Kiev, and the DNC-affiliated Press carried out witch hunts and public lynchings, in order to influence American elections, violate civil rights, and to promote the minority Welfare of the Democrat Party.

Michael K said...

There is a slow motion coup d'etat going on which will probably fail unlike with Nixon.

The damage it inflicts on the nation is of no concern to the left who have no idea how to run an organization anyway,

Obama said "You didn't build that", because he has no idea idea how to build anything.

The rich Democrats are on the take. The rest have no idea how things work.

Original Mike said...

"I'd say Bernstein, on his own, knows that there's nothing there, and he blurted out an answer without thinking about what he was saying about what's in his own head."

Yep, Bernstein slipped up. By this point, what journalist actually believes the Russian bullshit? But they know on which side their bread is buttered.

Mike Sylwester said...
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Mike Sylwester said...

Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller is determined to drag his bogus, disgraceful "investigation" out until at least November 2018. Mueller hopes that in the November election the Democrats will win a majority in the House of Representatives.

As long as Mueller continues his "investigation", the top officials of the FBI and Justice Department will be able to use Mueller's "investigation" as an excuse to refuse to provide any information about their wiretapping of Trump's campaign staff.

Mueller and his gang of Trump-hating lawyers are investigating only one problem -- how to get Trump's tax documents. If they get the documents on a Tuesday, they will leak all of them by the end of business on Wednesday.

NYT reporter Nicholas Kristoff already is begging for that leak. Kristoff and Mueller already have collaborated in leaks in past years.

Lem said...

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was something to the “collusion” thing.

I don’t think there is. But I wouldn’t be surprised.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Such heroic linguistic vandalism hasn't been seen since Bill Clinton parsed the meaning of the word, "is."

Bernstein can believe that Trump is certain it's a witchhunt without thinking Trump is innocent because:

1. Being subjected to a witch-hunt doesn't mean you're legally innocent of all charges that could result from said witch hunt.
2. Trump is delusional and has a persecution complex that's quite detached from any objective self-assessment of whatever right or wrong he has done.
3. Trump is known to think that he is above the law anyway. (Just like Nixon did).

This blog is becoming the dead-ender go-to place for the New Nixonians. These acrobatics of legalese are steadily becoming physiologically warped contortions.

Mark said...

Mueller is a prosecution in search of a crime. And failing that, a prosecution regardless. In addition, after having been appointed by dictate -- whereas even the lowest U.S. attorney requires Senate confirmation -- he is accountable to no one, thereby holding powers that exceed the President, exceed the Congress, exceed the Chief Justice and associate justices of the Supreme Court.

And that is a far greater danger to the republic, infinitely more dangerous, than any inadequacies that Trump might have.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

There is a slow motion coup d'etat going on which will probably fail unlike with Nixon.

A coup d'état involves violence, numbnuts. Something that Trump has openly expressed a fondness for that his many opponents have not. Finally, you have some nerve calling a coup d'etat the will of a majority of the voting public that has only steadily grown ever since Mr Minority Opinion decided that governing against their wishes and against any outreach was how he wanted to do things.

The damage it inflicts on the nation is of no concern to the left who have no idea how to run an organization anyway,

The nation isn't a dictatorship and the health of the nation improved significantly after the lawless paranoid Nixon was made to resign. If he didn't want to he shouldn't have broken the law. And neither should his protege, Trump. If you want to run an "organization" then I heard there's a nice contraband substances ring that the two of you could run from within the walls of the local prison. Organization! Good grief. You mean, like la cosa nostra? That kind of "organization?" Like organized crime?

bagoh20 said...

The proof of the Trump/Russia collusion can be found either in Capone's vault or under Oak Island. Like those, the money is in the drama of the search, not in the finding of anything. Stay tuned. We'll be right back after a message from our sponsors.

Mark said...

demanding a special prosecutor who promptly threw one of their own reporters in jail for not revealing sources

Let's not omit that in the Plame Affair, it was known from the very beginning by Fitzgerald, after his appointment by the very same Comey, that there was no crime. The "investigation" was deemed a prosecution and they were damn well going to prosecute. It should have all been shut down on the first day, but instead Fitzgerald engaged in pretext and shadows to fraudulently subpoena records, subject them to FBI interrogation, and drag people before the grand jury until he was able to find a pound of flesh to prosecute.

Trump should do what George W. thought politically impossible and pardon Scooter Libby.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Mueller is a prosecution in search of a crime.

So it's legal for Russia to hack our election machines? Good to know that's how you traitors think.

In addition, after having been appointed by dictate -- whereas even the lowest U.S. attorney requires Senate confirmation -- he is accountable to no one, thereby holding powers that exceed the President, exceed the Congress, exceed the Chief Justice and associate justices of the Supreme Court.

You watch way too much FOX News - a poor substitute for failing high school civics. Trump could fire the attorney general who oversees the man who appointed Mueller, and seek a replacement who could fire him and end the appointment. But he would be impeached the next day. The investigation is duly legal and proper. If Trump has nothing to fear then he should shut up and let it proceed. But he's not and kicked his own ass by taking the advice of his equally stupid son-in-law and firing the FBI director for not swearing personal loyalty to him over and above the constitution - which is illegal.

Trump is quickly finding out that all the legal shenanigans he played to use better funded attorneys to bully his business associates while in real estate won't work any more now that he wants to use the powers of the state to lie, cover up, and devote its officers to him instead of to the Constitution.

Brian Balster said...

"3. Hillary is known to think that she is above the law anyway. (Just like Nixon did). "
fixed it for you

William said...

Been a slow week for sex scandals. One MLB player and another allegation against Wenner. I'm hoping things pick up next week. Didn't Nora Ephron write some kind book outing Bernstein as a cad? Maybe some other ex lover will use the current season of glasnost to tell some interesting stories about Carl's seduction techniques. I can't believe he was smoother than Charley Rose or Matt Lauer.

bagoh20 said...

"A coup d'état involves violence, numbnuts. Something that Trump has openly expressed a fondness for that his many opponents have not."

You are always dependable for an exquisite example of projection. What do you think is larger: the number of violent expressions by Trump or the number aimed at him. I bet you even have some similar fantasies yourself. Probably involves some teabagging.

Original Mike said...

"So it's legal for Russia to hack our election machines?"

This happened where?

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

You are always dependable for an exquisite example of projection. What do you think is larger: the number of violent expressions by Trump or the number aimed at him. I bet you even have some similar fantasies yourself. Probably involves some teabagging.

Hey Dummy! How's it going? A little less boring than at Chicken Little's House of Total Agreement with the Psychopaths?

Every president receives death threats. In this day and age, practically anyone in public life or merely expressing an opinion receives death threats. But wouldn't you know it, not every president expresses fondness for violence against Americans. Actually, most don't. They lead by example. But Trump is incapable of setting a decent example because he is a thoroughly indecent and scurrilously immoral man. His followers like that about him, apparently. That says something about them.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

This happened where?

My god. If you still don't know by this point, best not to worry yourself. Perhaps FOX will allow advertising for Russian companies angling to oversee our voter registration databases.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

"3. Hillary is known to think that she is above the law anyway. (Just like Nixon did). "
fixed it for you


How does this make Trump better than her?

And if that's all you've got going for him, that he's not as criminal as you think someone else could be, then congratulate yourself. You've just defined the bar for Republican expectations of their president. But we already knew how low they were. It's just interesting to hear it repeated so often.

Lewis Wetzel said...

It is also possible that Trump can be credibly accused of some activity which is not clearly illegal or legal. I would imagine that any billionaire with international investments can be accused 0f doing something underhanded. Suppose a Trump subordinate can be shown to have been overpaid for some Trump properties which were purchased with rubles? And Trump promoted that subordinate as a result of this deal?

Comanche Voter said...

Carl Bernstein is a natural for CBS--the Careless Bull Shit network. But then you don't have to work for CBS to be a careless bullshitter in Washington. You just have to be a liberal or "progressive" or whatever these bozos call themselves.

Comanche Voter said...

Carl Bernstein is a natural for CBS--the Careless Bull Shit network. But then you don't have to work for CBS to be a careless bullshitter in Washington. You just have to be a liberal or "progressive" or whatever these bozos call themselves.

Comanche Voter said...

Gee I said it twice. In prog speak if I say whatever comes into my mind twice, it must be true!

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

It is also possible that Trump can be credibly accused of some activity which is not clearly illegal or legal.

Of course! And when it comes to hostile foreign powers hacking our voter registration databases why not err on the side of assuming legality? Great idea! Sure sounds like assisting that would be a legal thing to me, right?

narciso said...

Well after bayard rustin was sidelined, king began to rely on o'neil and levinson the two dedicated Marxists on his staff, that inflammatory 1967 speech about us troops in Vietnam being like Nazis was largely their input, along with a young aide named William pepper. (If the last name seems somewhat familiar he sketched out an Oliver stone type conspuracy, with the cooperation of the king family, in the late 90s) it was circulated among other places, on Russell Simmons produced NY undercover.

Tim at large said...

How does this make Trump better than her?

Well, she has way more stink of involvement with the Russians than he ever had, I mean actual stink, not smears made of wishful thinking, and Trump hasn’t started any wars, so far, anyway. Hillary started a war, and threw gasoline on the civil war in Syria, so yeah, so far, Trump is better than her.

Michael K said...

Oh God. Here is the Ritmo to poop on the thread.

Happy New Year, all, but Ritmo.

narciso said...

Gruel mile sylvester, but we can't forget James comeys part in leaking apocryphal (we have seen no proof of this) memos to Ben wittes, protege of jack goldsmith. Who years ago conspired with comey and Mueller to set up Alberto Gonzalez re that march 10th 2003
Incident re ashcroft. It was Mueller's notes of the conversation that framed the narrative of a disreputable surveillance operation. Ironically the hours of the delay in restoring terrorist surveillance were seem the next day at the atocha train station in Madrid, a bombing that possibly changed the face of the Iraq conflict.

FullMoon said...

"So it's legal for Russia to hack our election machines?"

This happened where?


California and New York obviously

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Well, she has way more stink of involvement -

Your parents wasted good money on your law school education. Apparently you just wanted to be a trash collector.

But nice priorities. I'm not sure of the legal precedent for prosecuting administrations or their officials for "starting wars." I am however aware that there are legal election proprieties that get you in trouble for violating. But if you don't care about election integrity in the first place then why care who's in office to start the wars (and apparently be prosecuted for starting them) in the first place?

Michael K said...

A coup d'état involves violence, numbnuts. Something that Trump has openly expressed a fondness for that his many opponents have not.

I wish I could hope for a good New Year for you but you are not worthy of any good wishes.

On the last evening of the year your are still flinging poo.

Go away and don't come back. Go to some hole where you will find others as hateful as you are.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Oh God. Here is the Ritmo to poop on the thread.

Better than sucking Richard Nixon's dick. Speaking of which, did you find him (Dick, that is) to be an attractive man, physically speaking? Or was it more about the power and paranoia that drew you to him?

Happy New Year, all -

Lol. He's reaching out to his cronies here while in his heart the only one that matters is his nursemaid. The one who taught him the world revolved around him in the first place.

There are three models of the solar system: Ptolemaic, Copernican (heliocentric), and Michael K-vian. The one where it all revolves around him.

Which creates centrifugal force on his head, making it expand like a balloon and decreasing its contact with the CSF and diffused oxygen necessary to get his brain to work.

Lewis Wetzel said...

They call it a "fishing expedition" for a reason. They say that the average American commits three felonies a day. I imagine that number is higher for every billionaire -- not just Trump. That doesn't mean the felonies have negative consequences for anyone. I know that if the FBI wants to talk to me, I will not say a thing without a lawyer present. If "Lying to an FBI agent" had been a crime back in the early 70s, Bill Ayres would have spent a long time in prison.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

I wish I could hope for a good New Year for you...

No you don't, liar. I already read what you wrote at 8:34.

narciso said...

Sorry 2004, now there had been an earlier incident against coalition forces in 2003,
www.foxnews.com/story/2003/11/12/bomb-at-italian-police-hq-in-iraq-kills-26.html, interesting that came from an Algerian butcher who had worshiped at the Milan Islamic center. He had been recruited by a fellow who had subsequently roomed with the leader of the Barcelona cell effendi stiff (sic) the one who the Catalan police. Had failed to note the significance of his passing.

Humperdink said...

It mystifies that normal people engage Ritmo Pergatorius. It never ends well. Although it does bring the thread to an inglorious conclusion. Every one of them.

narciso said...

Yes we know how they did it general Lynn, they sent strzok in the guise of a rputinr security briefing, so he couldn't contact his lawyer.

Bernstein subsequently wrote up some fever dream about the CIA and the national press a few years later, (which ironically is more relevant today with the likes of entous and dilanian, re this whole grishenko mess)

And after the Berlin wall started to fall, he tried to impugn the popes part in liberating Poland by tying it almost exclusively to CIA funding

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

They say that the average American commits three felonies a day. I imagine that number is higher for every billionaire -- not just Trump.

First of all, I doubt it.

Second of all, how many felonies do you therefore think billionaires should be allowed to get away with?

Trump made a career out of intimidating more poorly represented former business associates through the courts. Usually in legally dubious ways, but ways that were effective nonetheless. He even thought he could sue Bill Maher for breach of contract by proving that his father was not an orangutan - a suit as frivolous as anyone can think of but that someone less wealthy might have been bankrupted by for having to defend against nonetheless.

Trump has made a career out of turning the courts into a little game of his. Turnabout is fair play.

Read David Cay Johnston.

Jon Ericson said...

Pedro:
Thanx for laying off the stimulants/depressants.
They make you forget things.
Like how you appear to normal people.
Like how to appear non-nuts.
(but I miss your gutter-mouth insults)
Like What the Fuck is your Problem?
&etc.
XOXO
A. Fan ESQ.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

It mystifies that normal people engage Ritmo Pergatorius. It never ends well. Although it does bring the thread to an inglorious conclusion. Every one of them.

If I can bring Trump followers down this easily, hopefully it should show everyone how easily The Hairpiece in Chief Himself can be brought down.

Trump is a false god. An idol. I'm here to smash that him - at least in the form of that image. I make no apologies.

Have a Happy New Year.

narciso said...

This is more the way things are today

www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

The piece shows great naivwte as if other nations don't work with their press.

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Michael K said...

It is interesting to watch a person like Ritmo who glories in the dislike of people who have their internet experience affected by his poo throwing behavior.

Somebody who has serious psychological issues has his behavior.

I hope you find help in the New Year,

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

In an appearance on the late night talk show, the liberal comedian Maher in response said that he'd give $5 million to Trump if he could prove that his father was not an orangutan. Trump gave Maher a copy of his birth certificate but he didn't pay up. Trump sued him for $5 million but later dropped the suit.

Yeah, everyone already knows that, you chimp. Trump had no case - unless you think that satire is a form of contract in which humans should have to prove that their parents don't include orangutans.* So the point is that Trump ties up the courts with frivolous bullshit that still costs people money - because he's got the money to do so and thinks his reputation is more important than the 1st amendment. I guess you think this is a good and glorious thing. It's part of what holds America back. Not that you would know. You've never done a thing for this country - or really probably for anyone other than yourself.

*I can see how a Republican could get confused on this point, though.

narciso said...

Now entous showed some talent along with his partner siobjan German covering the Egyptian tie to Benghazi, but he has proven a poor stenographer re the Russia matter.
Among other things nit examining the claims of possible FBI and FSb connected companies like crowdstrike and fusion who operate a little like Hughes Mormon praetorians (chabinsky and Henry) and wackenhut in the bad old days.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

- or really probably for anyone other than yourself.

And even that's debatable.

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narciso said...

For those that have seen or read Alan Moore's watchmen, there is a flashback scene that supposedly suggests the turn toward the dystopuan world of 1985, well that and the presence a blue hundred foot superbeing.

Entous now transitioning to the new worker seemed to following in the steps of another for wall street journal import, David ignatius. Who has a tie to the pre bezos post, his father was an executive there before becoming secretary of the navy in the Johnson yeats

Jon Ericson said...

Inga shits ritmo swallows
Werds for the ages.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Ok so you deleted your 9:01/9:05 post and conceded that you don't know shit about the Trump/Maher lawsuit you pretended to have something to contribute to so that you can instead complain about my sex life and call women whores. On New Year's Eve, no less!

What else are you feeling inadequate about tonight?

Paul said...

What Bernstein is saying is.... the whole thing is a nothingburger. Always was.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

He quotes dictionaries too, folks.

Just a typing bot-like fount of pseudo-information.

Impressive.

narciso said...

Worker like his new unprincipled colleague Jane Mayer who has been slandering a good man fir a quarter century, he may be transitioning to explicit fiction like ignatius or even Alex berenson, who has his own take on the Russia matter coming up this spring

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Jupiter said...

"Better than sucking Richard Nixon's dick."

You would know, you toothless son of a bitch. The question is, was it good for him too?

Well? Was it?

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Lol Jupiter. Ha! ;-)

The Godfather said...

Some of my ancestors were involved in the witch hunts in colonial Massachusetts (some pro-witch-hunt, some anti-), and a lot of people were hurt by the witch hunts, even though there were no more witches in Massachusetts than there was Russian collusion in the Trump campaign. But there are a lot of folks whose Big Hope for the New Year is that Mueller can come up with an indictment of somebody close enough to Trump for something that sounds sort-of-enough-like "Russian election hacking", that the Democrats can take control of the House and vote articles of impeachment against Trump in early 2019.

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

You already typed that one at 9:27 and 9:12. I realize your memory is bad but to not remember what you typed 15 minutes before is really brain-damage level of amnesia. And it was just as stupid both times.

narciso said...

It appears berenson, starts of with an incident a little Like the garland shooting (the details of that elude understanding) but that serves as the Mcguffin for this Russian plot of his devising

Paul said...

@Toothless Revolutionary... three felonies a day?

With all the volumes of laws on the books, regulations, etc... yea, one can do that.

Go look at most of the fertilizers, pesticides, paints, sprays, etc. Look at the warning labels about 'federal law prohibits'.... You can break a bunch of 'em just taking care of your lawn or house!

Look at the housing codes if you live in a city. Lots of laws you can break if you modify your house without lots of paperwork.

The number of laws in this country must run into the billions of you include regulations. Billions. Easy to break them without even knowing they exist.

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Mac McConnell said...

"Russian companies angling to oversee our voter registration databases."

You mean the voter registration data bases you can walk in to any states Secretary of State's office or county clerk and buy. That public info voter registration data base.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Whenever I'm on the thread Full Melon shows up for sloppy seconds.

Just totally incapable of coming up with any original material of his own. Or even taking the center stage.

He can't even provide his own foil.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Full Mooned complains at 9:31 that he likes the taste of Trump's shit much better.

These complaints of yours are really showing everyone what a conasewer you are.

D.E. Cloutier said...

A dossier from a British spy, a tip from an Australian diplomat, attacks on Trump by foreign writers -- I see a lot of foreign meddling in U.S. politics.

Do you remember Andrew Sullivan's blog attack on Sarah Palin in 2008? According to Wiki, Sullivan didn't become a U.S. citizen until December 1, 2016.

I find the meddling by British citizens particularly annoying. My ancestors fought the British in two wars to keep them from telling us what to do.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Go look at most of the fertilizers, pesticides, paints, sprays, etc. Look at the warning labels about 'federal law prohibits'.... You can break a bunch of 'em just taking care of your lawn or house!

Don't buy toxic hazardous poisons, then. And housing code violations are felonies?

The environment matters, Paul. No matter how much crap Full Moon likes to eat.

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Mark said...

I've heard that that bastard Trump more than once has removed the tag from a mattress. Mueller needs to get on that.

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Mac McConnell said...

Carl "Pizza Face" Bernstein is a loud mouth bag of dicks. They should remake "All The President's Men", Dustin Hoffman could actually plays Bernstein how we now know Bernstein acts in real life, a bag of dicks. They could do it as a comedy, Robert Redford bitch slaps that fat fuck every time he says something stupid. That would be a lot of bitch slapping, I've never heard anything intelligent come out of Pizza Face's mouth.

narciso said...

To sum up felt leaking to woodstein, because he was slighted in being passed over by pat gray for director, lead to uncovering his breakins to surveil the weatherman, whosecases were dismissed. It put him in the docket until Reagan's pardon, weakened his believed bureau and led in a roundabout way to the fisa court procedure.

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

Just because no one read it the first time doesn't mean you have to keep repeating yourself.

I'm glad to know how little F. Moon has to contribute to the topic - re: Trump's potential felonies and Carl Bernstein's opinion of them. But he is very upset that others here are able to respond in the way the host requests.

So he can't defend Trump at all, just wants to shut down the speech of anyone left of Nixon who can contribute to the discourse on how Trump is going down and why.

I think that's called: NOT WINNING!

LOL!

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The Godfather said...

PLEASE DON'T FEED TOOTLESS!

And Happy New Year to all good faith commenters. I'm going to bed.

narciso said...

There was this earlier heroic felt vehicle with loan nelson tom sizemore is playing William sullivan, martin csonlas the villain from xxx and the equalizer, is playing pat gray, and there are other unsubtle casting g choices OT dissapeared without a trace.

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Bruce Hayden said...

The amazing thing is that they actually seem to belong eve their shit. Ritmo essentially claimed above that the Russians physically hacked voting machines. Never mind the "air gap" between those machines and the Internet. And never mind that the left leaning 538 blog showed statistically it didn't happen. Despite its physical and statistical impossibility it is assumed as an article of faith to have happened. Similarly,in ended up in the comment section today over at TNR, and was quite surprised that they knew when the Russian had hacked Crooked Hillary's email server, they also knew the approximate date that the contents were offered to the Trump campaign by the Russians. An established, incontrovertible, fact that has eluded Congress and the DoJ. The cognitive dissonance runs deep with this crowd.

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

PLEASE DON'T FEED TOOTLESS!

But Full Moon is so lacking for any defense of Trump re: Bernstein that he'd rather talk about DDT or something. Or how he only wants pre-approved right-wing comments on the blog. LOL!

Don't deprive him of a chance to show how little he knows and how defective his defenses of Trump are. He even talked about whores, brought up my parents, posted the same comment three times in a row, deleted about seven of them already, dictionary definitions and a re-cap of the Maher-Trump lawsuit that he deleted as soon as he was reminded of the outcome and why Trump did it!

He's showing how desperate the Trumputards are - on New Years Eve! Please let him keep showing what a sham he and his leader are. It's fun. It also shows why he never gets invited out of the house. He's a platonic ideal of the Trump troll army and how little they have to say about the man as an actual leader that they have to constantly distract instead. 24/7.

It's like watching 1984 in real time. The bottom rung of it, anyway.

narciso said...

Its like feeding migwai after midnight, what could go wrong. The real journalism is being carried out by Sheryl atkkinson, Stephen mcintyre (fmrly of CBS) Sarah carter, now with fox, Luke risiak (on the swan Boris) and chuck ross, at the daily caller, perhaps a few others, the rest is pablum or adtrotutf.

Happy new year, all.

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narciso said...


Talk about mussing the point:

therightscoop.com/watergates-woodward-and-bernstein-rip-into-the-media-for-their-anti-trump-bias

There be monsters here

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

You know, it's ok to leave some of your own comments up every now and then, Full Goon. That's actually kind of the point.

But if you prefer to show that your only purpose here is to achieve the reflected self-importance through others of negative attention - on New Years Eve no less! - then that's ok, too. It shows just how bankrupt the Trump agenda and his troll army really are. You're doing an important service to the country by showing just how hard it is for you to focus on the actual issues facing President Hairpiece.

I salute you, sir!

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narciso said...

He is as close to Edward VIII as this dilapidated dynasty can produce, this is why when a standing fir him was domesticated by Ian richardson in play the king, one didn't have any reservations.

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Larry Day said...

TTR, You come across as a nasty little piece of shit, you know that?

Jon Ericson said...

Everybody Poops!
But most do it in private.

narciso said...

So were back to the emojis movie, that Dave Barry atuffed into his year in review.

FullMoon said...

For those who feel a need to waste their time responding to Ritmo, it's worth reposting a Ritmo admission of what he's up to at Althouse, and why he comments here:

Toothless said: "It's good to know that the stupidest threads are just ripe for the threadjacking. I'll be sure to leave a trail of turds on every one of the brain droppings here that suit my fancy. Getting you shit-eaters to complain about the taste after opening your mouths wide and saying "Ahhhh..." to every bad idea under the sun is very satisfying, I must admit." - 10/16/10 10:28 AM

narciso said...

Birds of a feather:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-who-lived-like-a-western-tycoon-57n9qz5tg

Remember this fellow

The Toothless Revolutionary said...

If you think that, Larry Day, you should check out the 9:01, 9:05, 9:10, 9:12, 9:14, 9:16, 9:21, 9:24, 9:25, 9:27, 9:28, 9:40, 9:41, 9:45, 9:49, and 9:52 comments - before they were deleted. And I'm sure some more will be subjected to that same fate. Nasty and horrible as all get-out. What is it with conservatives deleting all evidence of what they do? I guess there's not much that they have to be proud of.

But I appreciate that you think I should be better than these nasty conservative opponents I always have to face. If only they were decent then those ground rules could be agreed to and a fair and civil competition could proceed.

But they would never win, that way. You can see it in the commenter's (Full Moon) deleted comments, alone. They don't believe in honesty when it comes to the facts. Just emotion, ideology, power and negative personal attacks.

When they stop that I'll stop it. But of course they won't. They couldn't have a chance of winning, that way.

Unknown said...

After Whitewater and the Birther canard, I would say that Trump is set up to be hoist on the Republicans' petard. That said, I tend to agree with the notion that Mr. Trump may not know or understand his own guilt here. Deniability usually refers to a false-front; however it could be the case that the sort of not-knowing involved here --given Mr. Trump's personality-- might be such that his people would not even tell him about stuff that happened.

robother said...

Actually, I think he really does believe that Russians hacked election machines all over WI, MI and PA. HIs inability to cite any source for this fact that "everyone knows" is interesting. But what he is parroting of course, is the stream of headlines in MSM in the early months of 2017 stating "Russians Hacked The Election." The fact that not a single one of the stories under those headlines offered any evidence for the "hacking" of election machines by Russian agents doesn't matter a whit to the Toothless One.

Mac McConnell said...

The Left sucked Russia's cock till the Communist fell. Hell, Hillary sucked their cock not long ago. No one is surprised that Russia meddles in our domestic politics, they've been doing it since 1918 and the Left helped them.

In the election Hillary colluded with the Obama Admin, the media to get the candidate she wanted to run against, Donald Trump. With all of Obama and the media help and spending over a billion $ she couldn't beat Trump, her preferred opponent. The Democrats would have us believe that $10,000 of shitty confusing Russian Facebook ads made the difference.

Truth is Russian nationals could volunteer to work on the Trump campaign legally, just like illegals work on Democrat campaigns. Foreign nationals can't legally vote or donate money, but they can volunteer.

If Putin bought Trump he got screwed, because so far Trump policies are costing Putin dearly.

narciso said...

Its indelicately put, but accurate, remember after the invasion of the Ukraine, the talking point was somehow putin was losing, of course we know now that we needed Russia's cooperation on the Iran deal, that Ukraine likely provided the boosters fir the hwasong rickets that Kim is now brandishing.

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narciso said...

That's odd, the Russians at not going to give up the ukraine it took then two wars to take it, and at least two to hold it, that leaves out the war with Persia, it somewhat similar to us giving up Texas. now thanks to this grishenko business I assume Mattis and tillerson and others in pences faction have committed us to one side of this uncivil proxy war, what could go wrong,

Luke Lea said...


Not that most thinking people don't know this already, but there is the question of what "collusion" actually means? To say nothing of whether it would be a crime?

Worst case scenario: Trump let it be known (promised) that he would not push the Crimea issue if Russia would release the embarassing emails it had purloined from the Hillary campaign. Except that it was already pretty clear that Trump did not regard Crimea as an insurmountable obstacle to good future relations (Obama and EU "asked for it" by recklessly enticing Ukraine to join the EU with possible NATO membership eventually) in light of the much greater shared interest between US and Russia in Syria and need for cooperation over nuclear proliferation with regard to North Korea and Iran. Putin pretty much knew this without any promises so would naturally have favored Trump in any case, as would any head of state in a similar situation.

And this is supposing that Russia, not Israel (say), or an insider in the Clinton campaign leaked the information to Wikipedia about Hillary's speech to Goldman Sachs regarding her real beliefs on free trade and immigration, which were the only damaging information released, and which the American electorate had a legitimate need to know in any case.

One need not even bother with the vague charge that Russia "interfered" in the US election in ways that did not include hacking the actual vote tallies, which no one is alleging, and which do not involve Trump in any case. Propaganda is something that all states do.

gadfly said...

Bernstein's answer: He believes it's a witch-hunt. There's no question he believes it's a witch-hunt.

Perhaps Trump's strange behavior is taking on a pattern that might lead to conclusions of deepening dementia. After-the-fact studies of Ronald Reagan's public appearances after his Alzheimer's disease was acknowledged revealed changes in his speech patterns and repetitive statements.

Interestingly, Ronaldus Magnus was the same age as Mini-Me Trump (69) when they were elected POTUS. Reagan was very much concerned with senility because his mother Nellie was senile for several years before her death at age 80. Likewise, Trump's father, Fred Sr., died of Alzheimers - but Donald is not bringing up that subject.

In 1994, researchers found changes in the speaking patterns of in Mr. Reagan’s speech, two measures — use of repetitive words, and substituting nonspecific terms like “thing” for specific nouns — increased toward the end of Mr. Reagan’s presidency, compared with its start. A third measure, his use of unique words, declined.

In 1984, Mr. Reagan’s poor performance in his first presidential debate with Vice President Walter Mondale renewed questions about his mental capacity. A study published in 1988 suggested that Mr. Reagan had some cognitive impairment during his debates with President Jimmy Carter and Mr. Mondale, but the authors said that their findings were insufficient to conclude that the changes affected Mr. Reagan’s policy judgments and ability to make decisions.

The same technique used for Reagan in which researchers assessed changes in the president's speech patterns with a new algorithm based on a technique used by others to analyze changes in writing by novelists. So 28 years after the Reagan study, the refinement of this technique is likely to have occurred in order to better predict and treat dementia.

Why not gather the recordings of Donald Trump in order to assess Donald's speech pattern changes. We know that his vocabulary is presently limited, that he often repeats himself and he forgets when today's lie contradicts yesterday's statements. Recently he became unsure that it was he speaking nasty words on the Access Hollywood tape, but he had already admitted this fact months ago. Recordings of his stream-of-consciousness campaign speeches are out there to listen to, filled with nonsense words, making no sense.

How about: “You know what uranium is, right? It's this thing called nuclear weapons and other things. Like, lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad things. Nobody talks about that. I didn't do anything for Russia. I've done nothing for Russia.”

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The Toothless Revolutionary said...

This blog is becoming the dead-ender go-to place for the New Nixonians. These acrobatics of legalese are steadily becoming physiologically warped contortions.

So what law do you think Trump broke?

I know you don't have an answer. The DNC "hack" was an inside job and Podesta clicked on a phis mail a 9th grader could code up. Hillary and the DNC took hundreds of millions from Russia. There is obvious criminal collusion, but it is all on the democrat side.

It has been pointed many times that the left really doesn't care about the actual law. It is about power. The democrat party and the left hate the rule of law.

Supporting this coup at this point is really just announcing yourself as an enemy of due process and lawful elections. The left always supports democracy and elections until it costs them power.

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walter said...

Yes Gadfly,
He is demented..holding forth in public rallies while Hildebeast (of oft-absentia) drowns her what ifs in "Chardonnay".
But you are able to keep your "don't blame me" bumper sticker for 2018.
Cheers Gaddy!

walter said...


(impressive html bolding skills, though. Really draws viewer to the important words)

jaydub said...

Having to negotiate the 25 bile spewing posts on this thread by Ritmo as he destroys the conversation is just not worth the effort anymore. It's unfortunate that he is allowed to destroy an excellent blog, but it's time to move on. Good luck to all.

Robert Cook said...

So far, no evidence has been produced showing collusion between Trump and Russia. The most obvious explanation for the allegations—Hillary Clinton’s blameshifting for her loss to Trump in the election—will never be accepted by those who have already accepted it. However, even if Trump had colluded with the Russians, he could still believe the investigation into it was a witch hunt. People do have the capacity to believe they’re being treated unfairly when they’re called on things they are guilty of. People justify their actions to themselves, even sometimes egregious actions. Trump, an obvious narcissist, is surely one of these people, fat with feelings of self-entitlement and unable to feel guilt.

Robert Cook said...

I mean—above—that Trump probably did not collide with Russia will never be accepted by those who have accepted as true that he did. They will never accept the Clinton’s groundless blameshifting is simply that and nothing more.

Robert Cook said...

At the same time, Trump supporters will never accept as true any evidence that is produced that Trump has committed crimes, whether it be collusion with the Russians or any other crimes. Trump has already cannily indoctrinated his base with the conviction that any news one dislikes must be fake news. (This is not to dispute that some portion of what is presented as news is propaganda, i.e., fake news.)

donald said...

I don’t like voting machines. Corrupt officials can manipulate them. I get that. But I find it really hard to believe that there has been a concerted effort by ANY foreign government to get the thousands upon thousands of “Russians” appointed as election officials to pull the info off of the millions of different machines for whatever manipulation they prefer. Because that is what has to happen. These machines are not linked to the internet. Nobody can “hack” them. Nobody. Anybody who believes that ornposits that is suffering from brain damaging gonorreha.

Donatello Nobody said...

I couldn't care less whether TTR gets the psychological help he so obviously needs. I just wish our hostess would tell him to get lost so I didn't have to page past his stream of invective and get to the interesting stuff (including contributions by people I disagree with but actually contribute, you know, real thoughts, like Cookie).

Kovacs said...

Rather obvious alternative to Althouse's possibilities: Bernstein can believe that Trump believes he did nothing wrong, and therefore is the victim of a witch-hunt, without agreeing with him. Trump regularly asserts things that are demonstrably untrue, in some cases even after it's been pointed out to him that they're untrue; it's reasonable to think that he believes at least some of those things, but that doesn't make them true. Bernstein was probably referring to Trump's increasingly apparent inability to distinguish between fact and his grandiose delusions.

Bruce Hayden said...

The comments by Robert Cook, one of our long term leftists here, are why I have defended him here on multiple occasions. While still quite a bit to the left, and knee jerk on some topics, he is thoughtful and most ofen honest, though, in my estimation, misguided. A welcome contrast with Ritmo and the Crazy Cat Lady (Inga).

I do disagree, I think though, with his claim that Trump has indoctrinated his base to the extent that they would excuse criminal behavior on his part (as the Dems have done with Obama, and, in particular, with Crooked Hillary). I think that Roy Moore's loss is some evidence that Republicans are less accepting of immoral or illegal behavior than are their Democratic brethren. Maybe, because Trump really is a master persuader, and Cook could be right here.

Bruce Hayden said...

"I don’t like voting machines. Corrupt officials can manipulate them. I get that. But I find it really hard to believe that there has been a concerted effort by ANY foreign government to get the thousands upon thousands of “Russians” appointed as election officials to pull the info off of the millions of different machines for whatever manipulation they prefer. Because that is what has to happen. These machines are not linked to the internet. Nobody can “hack” them. Nobody. Anybody who believes that ornposits that is suffering from brain damaging gonorreha."

Voting machines could theoretically be hacked. They weren't, because they are secured after being used for voting and have been tested to verify that they weren't hacked. Besides, hacking the election would have required hacking of multiple different types of voting and voting machines, which would have been statistically noticeable. And, yes, the "air gap" would have required that the hacking be hands on, and not done remotely from Russia.

Tregonsee said...

My reading is that Bernstein was simply saying that Trump is a sociopath who believes his own lies. Rather like Obama. Not that Trump was innocent.

Sam L. said...

CNN: Crap News Network.

Mark said...

Trump has indoctrinated his base to the extent that they would excuse criminal behavior on his part

This all comes back to the fact that people have woken up to the realization that these are not binary situations. Excusing or condemning Trump for a given behavior is not all that is play as if it all happens in a vacuum. The greater question is -- to what end? to what result or consequence overall? what is the alternative?

People are now woke that you get rid of Trump, then what you get is the militant left, who are FAR WORSE than any criminality that Trump could think up.

Mark said...

It's not a matter of being pro-Trump, it's a matter of realizing the vastly greater danger of the left.

Robert Cook said...

"People are now woke that you get rid of Trump, then what you get is the militant left, who are FAR WORSE than any criminality that Trump could think up."

No, if you you get rid of Trump, you get Mike Pence.

BTW, what "militant left" exists in out government?

That's a trick question, as the answer is: None.