Althouse: Lake Wingra, today.

February 26, 2018

Lake Wingra, today.

Talk about whatever you like.

62 comments:

MadisonMan said...: What a splendid day today. Nothing finer than the first hint of Spring, and a strong, warm Sun.; 2/26/18, 8:52 PM
Hagar said...: What has the "mass casualty rate" for public schools in the United States resulting from bus accidents been over the last 20 years as compared to school shootings?

Why is there no indignation over that?; 2/26/18, 8:54 PM
Char Char Binks said...: "Why is there no indignation over that?"

Because then they would have to do something about it.; 2/26/18, 9:08 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Hagar:

What has the "mass casualty rate" for public schools in the United States resulting from bus accidents been over the last 20 years as compared to school shootings?

Why is there no indignation over that?

Similarly, what is the comparison of vehicular deaths compared to, say, deaths from terrorism? Yet, we as a society have somehow convinced ourselves that spending trillions of dollars, getting thousands of US service members killed, hundreds of thousands of foreign civilians killed, and destabilizing countries with millions of people is us predicting ourselves from a threat.; 2/26/18, 9:28 PM
bolivar di griz said...: Following up from the other thread

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/26/when-governor-challenged-trumps-position-on-arming-teachers-trump-hits-back-with-the-hammer-of-truth

The transformations in one agency:
dailysignal.com/2018/02/26/podcast-epa-administrator-scott-pruitt-explains-agency-changed-trump

Then there is events abroad, tied to operation cassandra

http://weeklystandard.com/the-mystery-martyr/article/2011702

In addition to significant changes nearby:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-king-replaces-top-commanders-in-major-military-shake-up/; 2/26/18, 9:29 PM
Sebastian said...: The Tablet on Catharine McKinnon: "But the allegation that she is a handmaiden of American imperialism is not what prompted MacKinnon to write a letter to the editor. No, it was the fear that readers of the London Review of Books might mistake her for having even the slightest sympathy for the Jewish State which stirred the Elizabeth A. Long Professor of Law at Michigan Law and James Barr Ames Visiting Professor of Law at Harvard Law School to action. The accusation that she had “praised” the Israeli Defense Force for the record of its soldiers in not raping Palestinian women was an outrageous slander . . . intentionally politically defamatory."

Apart from praising the Israelis, an outrage in progland, she also committed the sin of equating terrorism and misogyny--too mean to terrorists, of course.

Anyway, that this person has named chairs at both Michigan and Harvard tells you all you need to know about the state of the legal academy.; 2/26/18, 9:35 PM
bolivar di griz said...: Well first of all, a terrorist attack is a deliberate attack on military or civilian targets designed to maim or murder, the second is an accident resulting from an occasional flaw in otherwise safe product.

So in France, certain subgroups are being forced out of one country on to another to seek safety, this hasn't manifested itself in the UK or Germany to the same extent yet, it explains events in the last two countries as well as the future results in italy; 2/26/18, 9:54 PM
traditionalguy said...: The Canadian Geese must be circling about waiting for some ice to melt.; 2/26/18, 10:00 PM
n.n said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2/26/18, 10:02 PM
Etienne said...: Number 1 song in France, Germany and Switzerland in 1972.

Popcorn Song; 2/26/18, 10:04 PM
n.n said...: What has the "mass casualty rate" for public schools in the United States resulting from bus accidents been over the last 20 years as compared to school shootings?

Why is there no indignation over that?

Retributive change and competitive advantage. What's peculiar is that in this instance, the targets are Americans who have been selected by other Americans for civil rights and economic sanctions. It's just a cold civil war. It is not per se personal.

Pro-Choice forever... another risk management protocol, but also a wicked solution, with a nearly 100% morbidity rate, institutional race and sex discrimination, and, more so, an intrinsic capacity to debase human life.; 2/26/18, 10:06 PM
bolivar di griz said...: What's the proper punishment here:

https://www.weaselzippers.us/376290-broward-sheriffs-office-wouldnt-let-emergency-personnel-into-the-school-to-help-the-shooting-victims/; 2/26/18, 10:26 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: Number 1 song in France, Germany and Switzerland in 1972.

Wasn't #1 here, but it was certainly popular, um, WP says #9 in the uS.

Hadn't heard that in years though..; 2/26/18, 10:28 PM
Etienne said...: Why is there no indignation over that?

Murder is a sin. It is killing someone to spite God, and is evil. Even an atheist murders to spite God.; 2/26/18, 10:30 PM
Achilles said...: This story will quietly disappear just like the Russian collusion story is disappearing right now as we learn that the government infested by leftists failed both morally and functionally.; 2/26/18, 11:45 PM
Ray - SoCal said...: Recording of Obama’s off the record speech.

http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/26/barack-obama-mit-sloan-sports; 2/27/18, 12:22 AM
Gahrie said...: Similarly, what is the comparison of vehicular deaths compared to, say, deaths from terrorism? Yet, we as a society have somehow convinced ourselves that spending trillions of dollars, getting thousands of US service members killed, hundreds of thousands of foreign civilians killed, and destabilizing countries with millions of people is us predicting ourselves from a threat.

So what's your answer? Convert?; 2/27/18, 2:01 AM
Clyde said...: I got my first bi-weekly paycheck with the new tax rates on Friday. I got an extra $65 in my check compared to the previous one. I didn't get a "crumbs" bonus or pay raise, but the additional $1700 a year will be appreciated.

I hope that all Democrats and Trump-haters have the courage of their convictions and send the extra money back to Uncle Sam with their 2018 tax returns next year. If they hate the Republicans and everything they are doing, then it's only right not to keep what can only be considered "ill-gotten gains" by Democrats.

#$endItBack; 2/27/18, 3:42 AM
rehajm said...: Recording of Obama’s off the record speech.

I'm dismayed at how quickly the MIT Sports Analytics Conference went to Hell. Once a place where vector heads weighed the probabilities of always shooting threes and going for it on fourth down, it quickly became just another Davos where idle ex Presidents spout off on whatever's on their mind.; 2/27/18, 4:21 AM
Humperdink said...: So it was revealed that Coward County Sheriff Israel was a proud member of Team Obama. We know Israel and his department picked up at least one of Obama's stellar attributes.

Remember the term "Leading from Behind (a car door)"?; 2/27/18, 5:15 AM
tim in vermont said...: So what's your answer? Convert?

That’s a rude question!

But maybe if they thought of the war on terrorism as an airline safety initiative? If air travel became unsafe, the costs to the economy would be incalculable. Autos kill a lot of people, but within parameters that everybody understands, so that doesn’t keep people from going to work in the morning, and keeping the economy humming. No democratic government that can’t keep people from feeling safe is going to long endure.

That being said, we should always err on the side of caution when fighting overseas that we are not making things worse, rather than better. It’s hard to know since the CIA and NSA have become dedicated to partisan politics.; 2/27/18, 6:00 AM
tim in vermont said...: “Let the rain of airplanes continue!” - Mullah Omar

Of course, his sovereign country had been subject to cruise missile attacks by the Clinton administration without provocation and when no state of war existed. But Clinton did have this pre #metoo sexual harassment problem.; 2/27/18, 6:03 AM
FleetUSA said...: Where are the Professor's comments on yesterday's Janus hearing at the Supremes?; 2/27/18, 6:16 AM
tim in vermont said...: convinced ourselves that spending trillions of dollars, getting thousands of US service members killed, hundreds of thousands of foreign civilians killed, and destabilizing countries with millions of people is us predicting ourselves from a threat.

Yeah, Obama and his redoubtable SoS Hillary sure did step in it in Syria and Libya following an election that seemed to decide that we weren’t going to do that anymore.; 2/27/18, 6:27 AM
tim in vermont said...: “I’ve lived for such a long time in the House of Gaslight, clinging to my experiences as they unfolded in my 20s and railing against the untruths that painted me as an unstable stalker and Servicer in Chief.’’ She describes herself as a victim of “post-traumatic stress disorder.” - Monica Lewinski

Let the record show that Hillary described her as a “narcissistic looney toon,” and those who lied about her where by and large Democrats defending their powerful hero.

“I — we — owe a huge debt of gratitude to the #MeToo and Time’s Up heroines. They are speaking volumes against the pernicious conspiracies of silence that have long protected powerful men when it comes to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and abuse of power.”

“Conspiracy of silence,” sound like any liberals we know? Yeah, almost all of them.; 2/27/18, 6:36 AM
Hagar said...: I was thinking of two things:

1. to keep in mind how rare school shootings, are and try to think rationally about how to prevent them.

2. A school bus with no seatbelts and full of protruding steel brackets and rails, thundering through the night with 50-60 stoked up highschool kids returning from a football game somewhere and driven by ???, tired, hung over, and distracted by the racket going on behind him.

The kids are just as maimed or dead, but the accident was just one of those things - forgotten tomorrow.; 2/27/18, 6:59 AM
Mark said...: It is easy to stand by and do nothing in the face of evil -- and arrogantly claim it as virtue -- when you are not the one being raped, forced into sex slavery, and it is not your neck being smited, i.e. your head being cut off with a knife.; 2/27/18, 7:08 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Gahrie:

So what's your answer? Convert?

My answer has always been the same: (1) the threat to America from Islamic terrorism has always been overblown; (2) special operation forces and covert paramilitary action against bin Laden and his Al Qaeda affiliates is justifiable; (3) the war against the Taliban was a stupid sideshow, and regime change was always a very stupid idea. Despite the stock footage of the guys on monkey bars in Kandahar, the so called "training camps" in Afghanistan had very little to do with Al Qaeda's power, which was based primarily on bin Laden's family wealth. The 9/11 hijackers all arrived in America on commercial airlines with legal visas. Trying to nation-build in Tora Bora will not protect us from that. (4) I have always advocated a strict moratorium on immigration into the country and the suspension of most visas other than tourism with an effective entry/exit visa tracking system. (5) Virtually every tactical maneuver the US has made since late 2001 has had little or nothing to do with the attack the US suffered on 9/11 but has managed to create a whole host of new problems.; 2/27/18, 7:11 AM
Rusty said...: Hagar.
howsabout law enforcement do their fucking jobs. No one would have been killed if the people we appointed to protect us had been doing just that.; 2/27/18, 7:12 AM
Fritz said...: traditionalguy said...
The Canadian Geese must be circling about waiting for some ice to melt.
They're leaving the Chesapeake. I hope they find someplace to go.; 2/27/18, 7:16 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Hagar:

1. to keep in mind how rare school shootings, are and try to think rationally about how to prevent them.

Oh, I completely agree. I was just making a similar comparison to "how rare" terrorist attacks against Americans are, yet our society seems to have convinced itself that we must fundamentally alter our domestic and foreign policies to try to protect ourselves from this threat.; 2/27/18, 7:16 AM
Mark said...: Face it, we have a LOT of Scot Petersens in the country today. And at least one reared her ugly head in this discussion. All to eager to stand by and do nothing except cower and ignore the cries of others being attacked and killed.; 2/27/18, 7:16 AM
Fernandinande said...: Hagar said...
What has the "mass casualty rate" for public schools in the United States resulting from bus accidents been over the last 20 years as compared to school shootings?

Are you too feeble to look it up or are we supposed to assume that your statement implies something interesting?

Why is there no indignation over that?

It might be because school buses are actually pretty safe.

Hagar said...
I was thinking of two things:

You should probably practice thinking of one thing at a time, then work your way up.

Oh, those tricky numbers, so hard to obtain:
About 1200 kids are murdered each year.
About 2000 kids die in car accidents.
About 50-60 kids die in school bus accidents.
(The definition "kid" varies a bit); 2/27/18, 7:17 AM
Rusty said...: traditionalguy said...
The Canadian Geese must be circling about waiting for some ice to melt.

Canada geese. The proper name is Canada geese. Canadian geese is any goose from Canada. Like Trudeau. Trudeau is a Canadian goose. The goose I shot was a Canada goose.; 2/27/18, 7:23 AM
Fernandinande said...: Etienne said...
Even an atheist murders to spite God.

Spiting god is even more fun than feeling your victim's blood running down your arms and watching their eyes grow dim as you absorb their spiritual life-force and thereby gradually become immortal.

Too sentimental?; 2/27/18, 7:23 AM
AllenS said...: During the September 11 attacks of 2001, 2,996 people were killed (including 19 terrorists) and more than 6,000 others wounded.

That's a lot of deaths from one terrorist attack. How many casualties do we have from school shootings?; 2/27/18, 7:32 AM
Fernandinande said...: "Since the Columbine High School massacre set off a nationwide moral panic in 1999, there have been 10 school shootings in which four or more people were killed. Including the death or suicide of the perpetrators, these mass shootings have resulted in 122 fatalities."

"four or more" is a standard def'n of a "mass shooting".

122 deaths in 19 years = about 6 per year. "Moral panic" is correct.; 2/27/18, 7:37 AM
J. Farmer said...: @AllenS:

That's a lot of deaths from one terrorist attack. How many casualties do we have from school shootings?

The comparison was not between terrorist attacks and school shootings but terror attacks and vehicular deaths. Since 9/11, about 600,000 Americans have been killed in motor vehicle deaths. If we conclude that there is "moral panic" over school shootings (and there most probably is), then I don't see how you can avoid a similar conclusion about the "moral panic" over terrorism.; 2/27/18, 7:40 AM
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...: Similarly, what is the comparison of vehicular deaths compared to, say, deaths from terrorism? Yet, we as a society have somehow convinced ourselves that spending trillions of dollars, getting thousands of US service members killed, hundreds of thousands of foreign civilians killed, and destabilizing countries with millions of people is us predicting ourselves from a threat.

As well as training Americans to not expect or value privacy. The TSA, etc is bad enough, and now half the people I know can't wait to fill schools with cameras, metal detectors, locked doors and requirements that an adult* control and direct every move a student makes.

*because we all know that every school employee ever is a pure and blameless creature; 2/27/18, 7:43 AM
Curious George said...: "J. Farmer said...
My answer has always been the same: (1) the threat to America from Islamic terrorism has always been overblown;"

Sure.

You're an idiot.; 2/27/18, 7:43 AM
Bob Boyd said...: "I was just making a similar comparison to "how rare" terrorist attacks against Americans are, yet our society seems to have convinced itself that we must fundamentally alter our domestic and foreign policies to try to protect ourselves from this threat."

Fox Butterfield Effect?; 2/27/18, 7:54 AM
MadisonMan said...: Autos kill a lot of people, but within parameters that everybody understands, so that doesn’t keep people from going to work in the morning, and keeping the economy humming.

I'm very aware of how terrifying driving is. That's why, when I drive on an Interstate, I stay in the left hand lane, away from the exiting and merging in the right lane, and driving 10 miles under the speed limit. I think that's the safest way.; 2/27/18, 8:27 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Curious George:

You're an idiot.

Damning counterargument as ever. Except my preferred strategy would have prevented 9/11 (since the terrorists would not have been able to enter the country in the first place) and would not cost a single extra penny in airport security or our absurd two decades of military adventurism.

@Bob Boyd:

Fox Butterfield Effect?

Explain how. I think the comparison is quite apt. If the argument goes that school shootings are rare and the notion that we have to massively alter society to try to prevent them is not justified. I find that a pretty reasonable argument. So my question is why does the same rationale not apply to the terrorist threat?; 2/27/18, 8:33 AM
Gahrie said...: What did Charles Martel or Vlad Dracul ever do to the Muslims?; 2/27/18, 8:35 AM
Hagar said...: Actually, driving just slightly faster than the average traffic is the safest. Of course, if everybody followed that, eventually everybody would be driving as fast as their cars would go, but that is not what happens. People tend to drive as fast as they feel comfortable with.
The prone to accident curve slopes upward relatively slowly from that minimum for faster speeds, but quite sharply on the tail end for slower speeds.; 2/27/18, 8:52 AM
Hagar said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2/27/18, 9:01 AM
Bob Boyd said...: Re: your comment at 7:11, that the threat from Islamic terrorism is overblown. Maybe, really hard to say what would have happened. At this point all we have is hindsight. Remember that, at the time, Islamic terrorists were getting bolder and attacks were becoming more frequent and getting more and more ambitious, the USS Cole, the embassy attacks in Africa, then 9/11. It seemed like there was an endless parade of killers coming out of the Middle East and that it was only going to get worse.
You don't think all the efforts to combat terrorism since 9/11 might have something to do with the fact that terror attacks are "rare?" I admit it's hard to quantify.; 2/27/18, 9:02 AM
Hagar said...: Terrorism" is such a nebulous word, and I wish George W.'s administration had not come up with that.

My understanding is that an early prophecy of the Islamic faith is that eventually there will be a great war between Shia and Sunni, and the winner of that war will then unite all Islam for a final war against the infidel which will only end with end of the world and Judgment Day.

And that is a very dangerous thing for 1/5 of the world's population to believe in.; 2/27/18, 9:02 AM
MadisonMan said...: @Hagar, I hope it was clear I was joking! I drove 800 miles this past week. The number of cars who camp in the left lane in maddening.

When a truck that is going 65 mph is passed by a truck going 65.01 mph: too often!; 2/27/18, 9:20 AM
320Busdriver said...: Blogger MadisonMan said.
"The number of cars who camp in the left lane in maddening."

This seems to be mainly a WI thing. And its getting worse. Just as the number of those who drive in fog and rain and operate with NO lights.; 2/27/18, 9:33 AM
Curious George said...: "J. Farmer said...
@Curious George:

You're an idiot.

Damning counterargument as ever. Except my preferred strategy would have prevented 9/11 (since the terrorists would not have been able to enter the country in the first place) and would not cost a single extra penny in airport security or our absurd two decades of military adventurism."

More idiocy. Not enter the county in the first place? There are over TEN MILLION people illegally in the US.; 2/27/18, 9:49 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Bob Boyd:

You don't think all the efforts to combat terrorism since 9/11 might have something to do with the fact that terror attacks are "rare?" I admit it's hard to quantify.

I agree that counterfactuals are a dicey game, but no I do not believe that. The 9/11 attack worked mostly because it exploited security holes in the system and because of people not expecting that a hijacked plane would be flown into a building. People no longer have that expectation. And anytime since 9/11 a passenger has attempted to do something squirrely on an airplane, he has been immediately attacked and subdued by passengers, rightfully fearful of a suicidal kind of attack. This heightened awareness has likely made us much safer than, say, trying to nation-build in Helmand province.

@Curious George:

More idiocy. Not enter the county in the first place? There are over TEN MILLION people illegally in the US.

Reread what I wrote: "(4) I have always advocated a strict moratorium on immigration into the country and the suspension of most visas other than tourism with an effective entry/exit visa tracking system."

They could not have overstayed their visas had they never been given visas in the first place. And we already know this could work because it partially did. Hani Hanjour replaced Ramzi bin al-Shibh specifically because the latter could not obtain a visa.; 2/27/18, 9:58 AM
Bob Boyd said...: @ J. Farmer

This heightened awareness doesn't make us safer from the things we don't expect.
Again, it's hindsight. At the time people were thinking, Oh my God. Al Qaeda? We didn't even notice these guys and look what they're doing. What next? A Stinger missile used on an airliner? Weaponized Anthrax? A dirty bomb? A suitcase nuke? An LNG tanker blown up in port? Things we haven't even thought of like happened like flying an airliner into a building?

Our leaders apparently thought, at the time, if they could combat the ideology that was producing terrorists with an ideology that would produce businessmen and shoppers they could suffocate Islamic extremism and improve the lives of millions at the same time. The alternative, again at the time, seemed like a hopeless task of trying to anticipate an infinite number of scenarios.
Delusional? A good idea poorly executed? Today we have the benefit of hindsight and purely academic discussion, luxuries not available to our leaders at the time the decisions were made.
I totally understand you aversion to what has been going on. I just don't agree that there is anything simple or obvious about what should have been done or even what we should do now.; 2/27/18, 10:17 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Bob Boyd:

I reject your notion that this is all "the benefit of hindsight and purely academic discussion, since I was saying pretty much the same thing in October 2001, when the Afghanistan war was first getting started. Unless you believe that camps in Kandahar province were the lynchpin to

I totally understand you aversion to what has been going on. I just don't agree that there is anything simple or obvious about what should have been done or even what we should do now.

Well, for the last two decades we have waged war in at least 7 different countries in the name of protecting ourselves from terrorism. Most of the result of this has been to turn several large countries in the middle east into failed states where anarchic violence and radical jihadists have been able to run wild. And at the same time, we have doubled down on our relationship with Saudi Arabia, the primary funder and distributor of the Salafist ideology that drives a lot of these attacks. Saudi Arabia's attack on Yemen has also empowered Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.; 2/27/18, 10:38 AM
Bob Boyd said...: "Unless you believe that camps in Kandahar province were the lynchpin to "

Sorry J. I don't understand what you mean here.; 2/27/18, 10:46 AM
Bob Boyd said...: "since I was saying pretty much the same thing in October 2001"

I would bet your argument is much better received now than it was then.; 2/27/18, 10:51 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Bob Boyd:

Sorry J. I don't understand what you mean here.

My apologies. It was a failure to multitask. I got distracted by a phone call and never completed the sentence. It should have read:

Unless you believe that camps in Kandahar province were the lynchpin to Al Qaeda's success on 9/11, the Taliban (and Afghanistan) has always been a distraction.

I would bet your argument is much better received now than it was then.

You'd be surprised. Here we are nearly 17 years and two administrations later, and the Taliban still operate actively in large parts of Afghanistan. Here is a very banal prediction: this will be true in 2020 and 2024, regardless of who occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.; 2/27/18, 10:59 AM
Bob Boyd said...: I've never believed Afghanistan could be turned into a modern western nation by our efforts.
But we didn't really start out with that intention IIRC. I think we initially went in there to punish, disrupt, deny a safe haven and aid the insurgents who were fighting the Taliban. Mission creep and US politics and good intentions led us gradually into the nation building.

As far as Iraq, there is a mistaken belief that Iraq was a stable country before we invaded in 2003. It wasn't. Iraq had so much debt from the war with Iran that they couldn't pump enough oil to service the debt. A lot of Iraqi oil had to pass through pipelines crossing international borders to reach markets so it was easy for OPEC to enforce the agreed upon limits to oil production and later the sanctions. Saddam was desperate. That's why he invaded Kuwait. That didn't work out and left him even more in debt, his military might greatly diminished, he was under UN sanctions and further isolated from his neighbors and erstwhile allies. He was beset on all sides by enemies within and without. He was getting old. His sons were insane and incompetent. If he was assassinated who would take over? Would there be civil war? Regional war? When we talk about the state of the middle east today, post Iraq War, we often speak as though nothing would have changed had we not invaded. But of course nothing stays the same. We don't know that things would be better than they are now. We'll never know.; 2/27/18, 11:34 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Bob Boyd:

I've never believed Afghanistan could be turned into a modern western nation by our efforts.
But we didn't really start out with that intention IIRC. I think we initially went in there to punish, disrupt, deny a safe haven and aid the insurgents who were fighting the Taliban.

No, I do not believe that was the other goal. Nation-building is inevitable when you pursue regime change, because something has to be put in its place.

We don't know that things would be better than they are now. We'll never know.

Precisely why preventative war is such a dumb, destructive idea. What you said about Iraq could be said about Gadaffi's Libya, but that does not make the Libyan war any less foolish. Somalia is not a stable country, and that's not an argument for dumping tens of thousands of US troops into Mogadishu. Using your method, how can any policy be criticized if someone can point to an unknowable hypothetical future scenario in which the policy would be justified?; 2/27/18, 12:09 PM
Bob Boyd said...: So you are saying if you had been in charge you would have made different decisions that would have resulted in..."an unknowable hypothetical future scenario in which your policy would be justified?"; 2/27/18, 1:04 PM
Bob Boyd said...: I gotta go J.
Enjoyed the conversation. You're in Tampa, right? I went to the Dali Museum there once. Pretty cool.; 2/27/18, 1:40 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Bob Boyd:

So you are saying if you had been in charge you would have made different decisions that would have resulted in..."an unknowable hypothetical future scenario in which your policy would be justified?"

No. I did not make predictions about what wouldn't happen, I made predictions about what would happen. Namely, that the most likely result of the Iraq War would be sectarianism, destabilization, and moving Iraq into the Iranian orbit. By the way, I make no special claims of prescience. Dick Cheney essentially predicted the exact same thing several years earlier. Had none of those things happened and Iraq became a stable, prosperous country, I would have been proven utterly wrong, and the supporters of the war vindicated.

I gotta go J.
Enjoyed the conversation. You're in Tampa, right? I went to the Dali Museum there once. Pretty cool.

Enjoyed it as well. Technically, the Dali Museum is across the bay in St. Petersburg. It's all part of the so called Tampa Bay area, but Tampa residents tend to take exception to places in St. Pete being labeled as "Tampa." Not sure when you visited, but they actually built an entirely new building to house the collection some years ago. It is a pretty cool building obviously in the surrealist aesthetic, but I think the gallery space is so much worse. For example, Dali's large paintings were all housed together in a huge gallery space that really emphasized their grandeur. In the new space, they have been scattered throughout the gallery in rooms with low ceilings that completely diminutizes the works.; 2/27/18, 1:59 PM